1988 Hyundai Excel vs BMW E30, baaaaahahah!

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I had two E46 M3s. The first one was stolen (2003) and bought a new one when I got the check (2004.5) and both were pieces of sh!t. Sure, they were fun to drive, but I spent most of my time driving them to the dealer, and rocking a 3.0 X5 loaner. Biggest POS car I have ever owned. My 2004 coupe was at the dealer 19 times in 3 months. My 2003 vert was at the dealer 7 times in 2 months. A friend of mine has a genesis coupe with some minor mods. Far superior car to my M3s, you know, except the badging.

P.S. I am sure you noticed the S class having a 7 series trunk, all major manufacturers sticking LEDs in their headlights, etc. Like I said, everyone copies everyone.

Cool. You convinced me that a Genesis is the way to go. You don't have to worry about anyone stealing it because no one has done enough research on the steel they use to make it to know how superior it is.

Originally Posted by vwott

Cool. You convinced me that a Genesis is the way to go. You don't have to worry about anyone stealing it because no one has done enough research on the steel they use to make it to know how superior it is.

I wasn't the one who made the claim that the German cars are built with better labor and better steel.

You mean where I said they use lesser quality MATERIAL (everything the car is made of) and probably CHEAPER labor (not worse) and they are able to make a decent car at a cheaper price (Still just a replica of a nicer car that cost more).

ok. i think this thread is going a bit far. the point was to make fun of the ad so lets just stick to the point.

1 thing I always noticed is you never see a 10 year old Kia or Hyundai rolling on the streets.

But every other car brand you do

Originally Posted by makecopies

1 thing I always noticed is you never see a 10 year old Kia or Hyundai rolling on the streets.

But every other car brand you do

I see lots..I think you are thinking of 20 yr old Hyundai's

Originally Posted by wild willy

Tunnel vision will get you one place.......Step back...and look around..What hyundai has done is amazing...if they go as far as they have come, BMW and every other MFG in the world will be way behind them

Hyundai hasn't done anything special AT ALL. Their cars are merely replicas of other manufacturers vehicles. The drive is horrendous and the build quality is poor. Sure, their cars look nicer than they did 10 years ago, but that's only because they gave up on trying to be original and started mimicking what's already out. If it weren't for companies like Honda and Toyota Leading the way in that segment, there would be no Hyundai.

I appraise and buy cars for a living, so I speak from first hand experience and not just reading road & track or seeing them on the road. Hyundai isn't on the level of Honda or Toyota, let alone any of the high lines. They will always be a cheap copy of better cars, and that's the end of it

Originally Posted by BMW.Nick

I appraise and buy cars for a living, so I speak from first hand experience and not just reading road & track or seeing them on the road. Hyundai isn't on the level of Honda or Toyota, let alone any of the high lines. They will always be a cheap copy of better cars, and that's the end of it

I can tell you I will never own another Honda.......I got one I'll sell you since you think they are so good. That is another MFG that has gone down hill in the quality dept ...cruising on an old reputation...........

Fock honda

This thread reminds me of this video.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7561955/need-a-bmw

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I had two E46 M3s. The first one was stolen (2003) and bought a new one when I got the check (2004.5) and both were pieces of sh!t. Sure, they were fun to drive, but I spent most of my time driving them to the dealer, and rocking a 3.0 X5 loaner. Biggest POS car I have ever owned. My 2004 coupe was at the dealer 19 times in 3 months. My 2003 vert was at the dealer 7 times in 2 months. A friend of mine has a genesis coupe with some minor mods. Far superior car to my M3s, you know, except the badging.

P.S. I am sure you noticed the S class having a 7 series trunk, all major manufacturers sticking LEDs in their headlights, etc. Like I said, everyone copies everyone.

Maybe you just had a bad experience? Most M3 owners I know personally haven't experienced anything even remotely like that. What went wrong with the cars during those times? 19 trips in 3 months is insane.

Originally Posted by vwott

You mean where I said they use lesser quality MATERIAL (everything the car is made of) and probably CHEAPER labor (not worse) and they are able to make a decent car at a cheaper price (Still just a replica of a nicer car that cost more).

The difference in build quality between a BMW and a Honda is palpable. Hondas feel like cheap, tinny crap, and age poorly. I haven't driven one, but I would imagine that the new Hyundais are a step below Honda.

i think we can set up a poll and see how many votes we get. that would give us a much broader idea of what most users think of BMW here.

Funny How they compare a sh!tty sh!tbox with one of the (arguably) best BMW's ever build.

Originally Posted by _.dstrukt.n1ne

I trust your opinion.

Originally Posted by 330CK

That is an absolutely ridiculous example. One had much further to go before what they were producing what could be considered even an acceptable product.

That's like saying that someone who starts off being able to bench press 50 pounds and trains to be able to bench press 250 pounds is stronger and a better competitor than someone who can bench press 300 pounds and is also still in training.

I ****ing hate these threads. It's just a bunch of unfounded theories from either side of the argument, just completely talking out of their ass.

Originally Posted by pkripon

I don't care about car comparisons much...but this I got to put my two cents in...use to hate BMW and Mercedes until I drove and owned one...there's no comparison... i rather buy a $10K,10 year old e46 over a new Hyundai or kia any day of the week... BMW focused on.making the best cars on the tracks and on the roads...not toaster ovens and TV's and such...lol...when you are at the top of the game as BMW is in the car industry ...the only other way is down (once another car company catches up)...yes Hyundai and Kia are looking better now...its because they offer one of BMW top designer more money to work for their design department ...and hence you all kinda notice how Hyundai and Kia has similarities to BMW's ....in headlights..taillights ...and body lines...(check it out)...and for Hyundai/Kia engine reliability...that will mostly depend on the owner's and how they take are of their cars...I have not really seen very much 1988 Hyundai that are clean...mostly crap ...we'll see how these newer Hyundai/Kia hold up in looks and reliability in the next 10-20 years from now....on the other hand...owners of older BMW's still cherish their car and there are a lot of older BMW's out there that still looks like the first day out of the showroom floor...just my two cents and a half...

Originally Posted by vwott

I don't know why people give Hyundai so much credit for coming such a long way. They just make low grade replicas of German cars, use lesser quality material where they can get away with it and probably pay their workers less to build it. In the end you have a decent car for less money.

Originally Posted by vwott

Never saw a BMW replica of a Hyundai.

And honestly I don't care enough to research. If you have all the knowledge to prove that Hyundai is better then cool; buy a Hyundai. I'll be the sucker in the inferior M3.

Originally Posted by vwott

Cool. You convinced me that a Genesis is the way to go. You don't have to worry about anyone stealing it because no one has done enough research on the steel they use to make it to know how superior it is.

Originally Posted by vwott

You mean where I said they use lesser quality MATERIAL (everything the car is made of) and probably CHEAPER labor (not worse) and they are able to make a decent car at a cheaper price (Still just a replica of a nicer car that cost more).

Originally Posted by makecopies

1 thing I always noticed is you never see a 10 year old Kia or Hyundai rolling on the streets.

But every other car brand you do

Originally Posted by BMW.Nick

Hyundai hasn't done anything special AT ALL. Their cars are merely replicas of other manufacturers vehicles. The drive is horrendous and the build quality is poor. Sure, their cars look nicer than they did 10 years ago, but that's only because they gave up on trying to be original and started mimicking what's already out. If it weren't for companies like Honda and Toyota Leading the way in that segment, there would be no Hyundai.

I appraise and buy cars for a living, so I speak from first hand experience and not just reading road & track or seeing them on the road. Hyundai isn't on the level of Honda or Toyota, let alone any of the high lines. They will always be a cheap copy of better cars, and that's the end of it

Originally Posted by wild willy

I can tell you I will never own another Honda.......I got one I'll sell you since you think they are so good. That is another MFG that has gone down hill in the quality dept ...cruising on an old reputation...........

Fock honda

Originally Posted by AfghanScarface

Maybe you just had a bad experience? Most M3 owners I know personally haven't experienced anything even remotely like that. What went wrong with the cars during those times? 19 trips in 3 months is insane.

Originally Posted by Lair

The difference in build quality between a BMW and a Honda is palpable. Hondas feel like cheap, tinny crap, and age poorly. I haven't driven one, but I would imagine that the new Hyundais are a step below Honda.

Originally Posted by benzedid

i think we can set up a poll and see how many votes we get. that would give us a much broader idea of what most users think of BMW here.

Originally Posted by Krizzy TanG

Funny How they compare a sh!tty sh!tbox with one of the (arguably) best BMW's ever build.

^^These guys ALL know what they're talking about. It all makes sense, it's all based on personal OWNERSHIP and DRIVING experiences, and is all 100% correct.

F*** honda fan, comes into E46 OT, complains about how many times his uncared-for BMWs went into the shop when he owned them, praises Hundays.

God this should be thread of the F****** year!

That's it, I am staring a poll. S2000 owner, please check in!

I'm going to bet half the people who talk about how they'd rather drive a $10k BMW than a brand new Hyundai couldn't afford the new Hyundai.

Originally Posted by dwass325

I'm going to bet half the people who talk about how they'd rather drive a $10k BMW than a brand new Hyundai couldn't afford the new Hyundai.

lololololo....Interesting theory...probably a lot of truth to this

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I had two E46 M3s. The first one was stolen (2003) and bought a new one when I got the check (2004.5) and both were pieces of sh!t. Sure, they were fun to drive, but I spent most of my time driving them to the dealer, and rocking a 3.0 X5 loaner. Biggest POS car I have ever owned. My 2004 coupe was at the dealer 19 times in 3 months. My 2003 vert was at the dealer 7 times in 2 months. A friend of mine has a genesis coupe with some minor mods. Far superior car to my M3s, you know, except the badging.

I bought you a jacket.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I don't see anyone bringing the 318ti into the convo. Ultimate driving machine? I think not.

compared to a majority of 4 cyl. hatchbacks that were sold during the 90's?

Originally Posted by trizzuth

^^These guys ALL know what they're talking about. It all makes sense, it's all based on personal OWNERSHIP and DRIVING experiences, and is all 100% correct.

F*** honda fan, comes into E46 OT, complains about how many times his uncared-for BMWs went into the shop when he owned them, praises Hundays.

God this should be thread of the F****** year!

That's it, I am staring a poll. S2000 owner, please check in!

Jackass of the year post. Believe me, I know more about BMWs than you ever will. All of my cars are meticulously maintained BY ME. I change my own clutches and everything else that needs to be changed in a car. I worked on MANY forum members' cars of all types, S4s, M3s, Evos, S2000s, etc. Hell, it got so busy at one point, I was making almost an equal salary just working on members' cars. My M3s were at the dealer for QC issues. On my vert, my top stopped working with 500 miles on the clock. Then my TPMS light kept going off, even though all the tires were perfectly inflated. After that, the heated seats stopped working. None of my issues were ever "neglect" related.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Jackass of the year post. Believe me, I know more about BMWs than you ever will. All of my cars are meticulously maintained BY ME. I change my own clutches and everything else that needs to be changed in a car. I worked on MANY forum members' cars of all types, S4s, M3s, Evos, S2000s, etc. Hell, it got so busy at one point, I was making almost an equal salary just working on members' cars. My M3s were at the dealer for QC issues. On my vert, my top stopped working with 500 miles on the clock. Then my TPMS light kept going off, even though all the tires were perfectly inflated. After that, the heated seats stopped working. None of my issues were ever "neglect" related.

I think you just topped me with this post. At one time, you are constantly complaining about how many times your BMWs are in the shop. Then you turn right around and say that you maintain them yourself, and that when they go into the shop, it isn't for neglect-related items. Your automatic top on your M3 Vert stopped working under warranty. Do you have any idea how many cars have issues when they are bought new and drive off the lot? Any idea how many times other cars need to go back when new because of similar issues? Does your S2000 even have an automatic top, or is it really a much simpler car than a BMW? You're the one that said you have a wealth of BMW knowledge, so much more than anyone else. You should know that an E46 M3 vert is not even in the same class as a Honda S2000. Then you complain about TPMS not working correctly, honestly, I am personally amazed that someone who fixes their own BMWs would even care about TPMS. Sure, if it came with the car and wasn't working that's annoying, but don't you know how to check tire pressure?

Listen, let me make this simple for you. This is a car forum, true. But this is a BMW car forum. And this is a BMW car forum for ONE SPECIFIC chassis of BMWs, the E46. So when you come in here trying to drop all this knowledge about other brands of cars, what do you expect to happen? I didn't go onto a Honda forum and post a poll about BMWs vs Hyundais, did I?

By the way, I've fixed every single thing on both of my E46's by myself, ever since I went off the CPO warranty, which was about 6 years ago. Only thing I haven't had to touch is the clutch, or transmission, but that's probably because I know how to drive a manual transmission car. 154K on the original clutch baby.