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Old 03-08-2012, 12:11 PM   #21
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Soooooo excited about this
Not only does this prove that there is SIGNIFICANT gains to be had by tweaking an re-adjusting the vanos, but also the ability to make BIG power 1,000+whp on relatively little boost. This is awsome

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Old 03-08-2012, 12:13 PM   #22
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:15 PM   #23
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Who have told you that you wouldnīt gain anything? Sounds like something a guy that canīt control the vanos would say. You also have to control the vanos vs boost if you want the max spool.
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:16 PM   #24
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Who have told you that you wouldnīt gain anything? Sounds like something a guy that canīt control the vanos would say. You also have to control the vanos vs boost if you want the max spool.



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Old 03-08-2012, 12:24 PM   #25
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Who have told you that you wouldnīt gain anything? Sounds like something a guy that canīt control the vanos would say. You also have to control the vanos vs boost if you want the max spool.
I'm controlling the Vanos on my car...I haven't seen any gains over stock. Just because you gain spool, doesn't mean you gain power. You could achieve the same thing by retarding the ignition to gain spool, but you lose power from the loss of timing. The stock V-Cam settings work VERY well when the stock ECU is happy enough to keep them maximized.
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:35 PM   #26
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You must know more then me Tested it a could of hours ago and the difference are serveral hundred horsepowers at 5000 rpm with this turbo.
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:36 PM   #27
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I'm controlling the Vanos on my car...I haven't seen any gains over stock. Just because you gain spool, doesn't mean you gain power. You could achieve the same thing by retarding the ignition to gain spool, but you lose power from the loss of timing. The stock V-Cam settings work VERY well when the stock ECU is happy enough to keep them maximized.
Well looks like he gained spool and didnt lose any power,that is good in my book

Again im not knocking on anybody i just like to learn from the best and get as much info as possible
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:37 PM   #28
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Amazing. Nice job guys!!
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:40 PM   #29
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Well looks like he gained spool and didnt lose any power,that is good in my book

Again im not knocking on anybody i just like to learn from the best and get as much info as possible
How could you possibly know with one graph? If the cam timing was changed, and it lowered the boost...who's to say the power wouldn't be the same at less boost? Let's see that graph with the cam timing logged.
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You better loose your attitude, don't think you will gain any more custumers with all this wiseguy talk.
I don't have to show you any proof. I have just tuned the worlds most powerful m3e46, ok?

If someone want some info you could write me a pm.
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:51 PM   #31
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How could you possibly know with one graph? If the cam timing was changed, and it lowered the boost...who's to say the power wouldn't be the same at less boost? Let's see that graph with the cam timing logged.
I just believe what he is saying,he was around US forums making big power with BMW's long before almost anybody else here and always been honest about his set up's. Also he is not trying to sell anything here so he has no reason to manipulate things


I respect your work and knowledge Jason but on the forums you come out as 'i know it all' 'i know the best' type of guy,i dont want to say arrogant but maybe thats just how it looks and how you write No disrespect meant
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:14 PM   #32
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You better loose your attitude, don't think you will gain any more custumers with all this wiseguy talk.
I don't have to show you any proof. I have just tuned the worlds most powerful m3e46, ok?

If someone want some info you could write me a pm.
Attitude? Wise guy? Whatever...LOL

I can show you proof...why? Because I have done the testing to show it. Not only with BMW's but with SEVERAL other platforms.

It's really easy to make statements and not back them up with data, but that doesn't fly with me. You can get by with that with the people who don't do this stuff or do the testing to prove their statements, but not with me. My testing disagrees with yours. So, if you want to back up your statements, then post proof...I did, why shouldn't you have to?

I encourage EVERYONE to do the testing themselves...don't take my word for it either. You just have to know how to do the testing properly, you can't start upsetting the stock ecu by removing sensors and expect it to run the cams in an optimal position. The cams move based on volume of air. They use this to optimize airflow through the engine on power demand. They ALSO use cam movement to reduce power when things aren't what they want.

1040 hub hp....your making about 50 more hp with an 82mm turbo than I make on my car with an 67mm turbo. All I have to do to beat that number is push a button!

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Old 03-08-2012, 01:25 PM   #33
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I have plenty of friends! Maybe everyone here is happier believing whatever they are told...
Brand identity can be a problem for some people

The Swede's now posting on the forum may not be aware of the crap that has transpired here. It's not arrogance, but to some extent vindication.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:33 PM   #34
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I think i have tuned over 400 pcs turbo bmw:s. Maybe it's nothing in the Us? I thought this was i nice forum, now i doubt it
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:41 PM   #35
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He was an engineer for AEM. Tuning a car is the same for any make and model if you understand the theory.

Someone who designs Engine Management Systems most likely learned engine theory a long time ago.. just saying. A good tuner doesn't see makes and models.. he just sees data.

Yes.. there is some chest thumping going on, but you Swede's need to understand you've come to this forum during a civil war of sorts.

You should already know us American's like to fight.
LMAO....this post get's the funniest post award for the month!

In all seriousness...no disrespect at all...

You HAVE to back things up with data. We have been down this road so many times.... people think because it's in writing (I.E. everything on any forums) that it's a fact. It just doesn't work that way. I can't tell you how many times people have posted something up as fact that couldn't be further from.

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Old 03-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #36
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LMAO....this post get's the funniest post award for the month!
Well it's true haha.

If we wanted to have an intellectual discussion about what has happened to this sub-forum it could easily be described as a civil war.

You have a sub-forum where one group (HPF) have dominated the discussion for a long time. That has created a brand following. Chris should be applauded for this brand identity among his customers. The type of brand admiration HPF has enjoyed is something we PR people strive for but quite often don't manage to achieve.

Now another group (ProEFI/SAAD/SP) has come in and challenged the balance of power. It has caused ego's to clash, tempers to flare and people to take sides. This is normal human behavior. You would see the same kind of interaction at any street race or car meet.

Now you have a third group (Swedes) jumping into the middle of an already contested fight.

In the end, respect will be won on the track with time slips and videos. Eventually a clear front runner will emerge and that will shift the balance of power.

Will someone new come along and challenge the new balance of power? Nobody knows... and that's what makes this so exciting.
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Yes.. there is some chest thumping going on, but you Swede's need to understand you've come to this forum during a civil war of sorts.

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This is sooo true!! lol Andreas you should stay around its gonna be a good year Its just like Faelar said there has been war going on on these forums for last couple months so everyone is lil jumpy
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Did you mention earlier in this thread that you're now controlling the cams? Or did I read it wrong?

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Did you mention earlier in this thread that you're now controlling the cams? Or did I read it wrong?

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Yes, I am, not because you need to, it's because it SEEMS that's what everyone wants. We are also taking control over the throttle as well.
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