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Old 03-29-2012, 09:58 AM   #21
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that's fine. And we don't need Zimmerman's dad's testimony
And yet it's all over the place.

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you can throw that out because it bears no facts towards the case at hand.
Obviously, there's lots of sh*t that can be thrown out.

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How about we just hear the stories of the people that were there as eyewitnesses, the 911 tape, and the investigating officers?
I think the tape right after the incident is pretty relevant, especially if you Zimmerman's claim is that he was injured to the point where he feared for his life.

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We can use Martin's and Zimmerman's baby pictures for all it really matters. Do you think sympathy is admissible evidence?
It's not. Which image of Trayvon would you like the media to use?

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Until the state has overwhelming evidence to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, in a court of law, to a jury of his peers, that Zimmerman acted in anything other than self defense, he is a free man. Last I checked, no charges have been filed.
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Maybe you're convinced that the legal system is broken, though, and that people need to take the law into their own hands in order to get justice in this case.
I wouldn't go that far. Do I agree with the "stand your ground" law...? I don't know. Do I think that the system works? Most of the time.

Did someone fvck up real bad this time? Hell, yeah.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:01 AM   #22
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I think the tape right after the incident is pretty relevant, especially if you Zimmerman's claim is that he was injured to the point where he feared for his life.
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You don't know how long after, do you?

How much injury do you need to sustain? If someone points a gun at me, I'm in fear for my life, but as long as I shoot first, then I won't have any injuries.

What if he was punched once and head bashed once? is that enough?
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Agreed.

E46fOT is in agreement. The state can now proceed with its investigation. And the DOJ can proceed with its investigation into the state's investigation.

Everybody go back to your normal business. Red alert over.
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You don't know how long after, do you?
You're absolutely right. I don't know. It is the most recent video/photo of Zimmerman we have.

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How much injury do you need to sustain? If someone points a gun at me, I'm in fear for my life, but as long as I shoot first, then I won't have any injuries.
Martin wasn't pointing a gun at him.

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What if he was punched once and head bashed once? is that enough?
No. It isn't. Unless you were being punched by Alistair Overeem... Could death occur? Sure. Death could occur if someone pushed you in the shoulder and you slipped. That doesn't mean you shoot them.

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No. It isn't. Unless you were being punched by Alistair Overeem... Could death occur? Sure. Death could occur if someone pushed you in the shoulder and you slipped. That doesn't mean you shoot them.


that's fine. If martin was threatening to punch and Zimmerman subjectively feared for his life, but an objective reasonable person would not fear for his life, then manslaughter.

I can't stress how often deciding between charges occurs on a daily basis to the DA when deciding when or if to file charges. There is nothing about this case that makes it newsworthy.
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You don't know how long after, do you?

How much injury do you need to sustain? If someone points a gun at me, I'm in fear for my life, but as long as I shoot first, then I won't have any injuries.

What if he was punched once and head bashed once? is that enough?
if he's a ***** and the law is on his side then yes it's enough. So in this case, it looks like it was enough. It doesn't mean I agree with it.
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There is nothing about this case that makes it newsworthy.
You don't think that the police departments actions (or lack thereof) are newsworthy?
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Easy to clean up a bloody nose, which is likely what the SFD did while Zimmerman sat in the back of a squad car when receiving treatment. Furthermore, the hair on the back of his head is going to hide any lacerations he may have sustained.

I don't think it proves or disproves anything.
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I swear I feel like every time Zimmerman and martin get brought up there is an argument and the worst part is that its the practically the same argument as the one in the other threads lol

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You don't think that the police departments actions (or lack thereof) are newsworthy?
not outside of central FL/Florida.

This type of killing happens a lot. Unless there was overwhelming evidence and the DA refused to act on it, I don't think its as big of deal.
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No. It isn't. Unless you were being punched by Alistair Overeem... Could death occur? Sure. Death could occur if someone pushed you in the shoulder and you slipped. That doesn't mean you shoot them.
Ok, how many times would you allow someone to smash your head into the pavement before you considered the possibility that they werent going to stop doing it until you were dead or permanently injured?

Keeping in mind that you get more woozy and disoriented, and less coherent and coordinated with each time? Keeping in mind that people that get curb stomped dont choose to be, they just get beaten to the point where theyre incapable of resisting.

Youre so sure that 1 punch and 1 smash isnt enough. How many is enough?

Dont equivocate. Give us a solid, objective, written-into-law number.
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