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Old 03-29-2012, 10:30 AM   #41
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New video released by ABC show police department video of George Zimmerman immediately after he murdered Trayvon Martin, and his bloody nose/split open head are nowhere to be seen.

Where's all the blood? Where are all the injuries?

So you, as well as ABC are claiming now that the ONLY eye witnesses are LYING? You do realize that it makes it even harder to prosecute him, since now there IS NO evidence. Furthermore, the cops stated he was bloodied up as well.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:36 AM   #42
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Ok, how many times would you allow someone to smash your head into the pavement before you considered the possibility that they werent going to stop doing it until you were dead or permanently injured?

Keeping in mind that you get more woozy and disoriented, and less coherent and coordinated with each time? Keeping in mind that people that get curb stomped dont choose to be, they just get beaten to the point where theyre incapable of resisting.

Youre so sure that 1 punch and 1 smash isnt enough. How many is enough?

Dont equivocate. Give us a solid, objective, written-into-law number.
I don't know what you're trying to say. Should I shoot anyone whom I'm losing a fight against because the end result might be that I become unconscious and they might curb stomp me?
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I don't know what you're trying to say. Should I shoot anyone whom I'm losing a fight against because the end result might be that I become unconscious and they might curb stomp me?
its a subjective test by the victim.
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its a subjective test by the victim.
Is there no wrong answer?
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I don't know what you're trying to say. Should I shoot anyone whom I'm losing a fight against because the end result might be that I become unconscious and they might curb stomp me?
I asked you a simple question. Youre certain that 1 punch and 1 head smash dont justify shooting your attacker.

How many does it take then?

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No there isn't. What I deem "life threatening" Chuck Norris probably wouldn't.
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Is there no wrong answer?
for general self defense in most jurisdictions, its a two part test.

Did the victim subjectively feel threatened for his life?
Would a reasonable person also feel threatened?

If yes, then no. its manslaughter.
If Yes, yes, no criminal act.

Its very possible that Zimmerman felt afraid for his life, but a reasonable person would not. That scenario really creates a tough job for the DA to prosecute...
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That wasn't immediately after. If you read the police report, Zimmerman was placed into the back of a squad car and given first aid by SFD at the scene.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...l%20Report.pdf

<---- That.

The video isn't particularly clear; while it looks like Z's nose could be swollen (refrain Pinocchio jokes), we can't tell it isn't either. Furthermore, at no point in the video do we get a clear shot of the back of his head to determine one way or the other.

It's also worth noting that ABC continues to show dated pictures (three different ones) of the Hollister 12 year old. And now that they've established that Z is no longer "portly", does that mean they'll stop airing the pic of him in an orange jumpsuit? Doubtful. They have a misleading narrative to protect, ya know...

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Should I shoot anyone whom I'm losing a fight against because the end result might be that I become unconscious and they might curb stomp me?
Only you can answer that question; the answer will vary from person to person. Turning the question on its ear: will you lose consciousness and be curb stomped if you shoot the person who is beating you? That answer will always be no. Perhaps that helps you decide.

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Youre so sure that 1 punch and 1 smash isnt enough. How many is enough?

Dont equivocate. Give us a solid, objective, written-into-law number.

Interesting that no one can give a real answer against this.

When you are getting beaten in a fight, when can you begin acting as if it's a life threatening situation? What are the prerequisites?



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Should I shoot anyone whom I'm losing a fight against because the end result might be that I become unconscious and they might curb stomp me?
Am I going to take chances with my life? No.

"might" possibly means yes.

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It's also worth noting that ABC continues to show dated pictures (three different ones) of the Hollister 12 year old. And now that they've established that Z is no longer "portly", does that mean they'll stop airing the pic of him in an orange jumpsuit? Doubtful. They have a misleading narrative to protect, ya know...
My favorite two pictures of Trayvon are the Hollister and snowboarding pictures. HEY LOOK HE'S BASICALLY A WHITE KID PEOPLE!!!!!!

To be honest, media bias and race baiters are my only interest in this case. I could care less if Zim goes to jail. However I doubt "Latino shoots black thug wanna-be" would be a thrilling headline.
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I am sorry, I cannot help myself any longer. Lair (aka Jesse Jackson, perhaps?) and 'busa (aka Al Sharpton?), you really are that gullible. No matter how much all of your conspiracy theories are discredited you still have your minds made up. Notice I did not say disproved, because I wasn't there - and neither were you - I cannot declare with certainty what happened. All I read from either of you are hypothetical what-ifs that are not in the same hemishpere as the evidence thus far produced in the media.

I will just leave this here...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/po...w-head-injury/
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:10 PM   #52
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You're absolutely right. I don't know. It is the most recent video/photo of Zimmerman we have.


Martin wasn't pointing a gun at him.

No. It isn't. Unless you were being punched by Alistair Overeem... Could death occur? Sure. Death could occur if someone pushed you in the shoulder and you slipped. That doesn't mean you shoot them.


Don't you have a background in martial arts? I'm surprised you would say this. I've seen many individuals capable of producing permanent brain trauma in a single blow, and they weren't professionals either. I've seen dudes get dropped viciously in bar fights/street fights, from single punches, and were hospitalized afterwards. After that first shot, your life is at his mercy.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:12 PM   #53
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I'll say it again.

Zimmerman shouldn't have left the car.

Martin shouldn't have attacked him

Zimmerman didn't have to kill him. IN MY OPINION.

This debate will never end.
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I'll say it again.

Zimmerman shouldn't have left the car.

Martin shouldn't have attacked him

Zimmerman didn't have to kill him. IN MY OPINION.

This debate will never end.
can you say that again? i didn't hear you.
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I'll say it again.

Zimmerman shouldn't have left the car.

Martin shouldn't have attacked him

Zimmerman didn't have to kill him. IN MY OPINION.

This debate will never end.
Pretty much agree with that. I consider Zimmerman's actions to be stupid, at a minimum, and possibly crimimal depending on details that we may never know 100%. But I don't see anything substantive to label his actions as racist. I know that racist people exist and they do violent things. But the extent to which so many people are willing to DECLARE racism in this case just makes them look like useful idiots.
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I asked you a simple question. Youre certain that 1 punch and 1 head smash dont justify shooting your attacker.

How many does it take then?

Nearly 2 hours and it appears that 'busa is still counting. Must take a lot of punch/head smash combos for him. I wish I was that tough!
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Pretty much agree with that. I consider Zimmerman's actions to be stupid, at a minimum, and possibly crimimal depending on details that we may never know 100%. But I don't see anything substantive to label his actions as racist. I know that racist people exist and they do violent things. But the extent to which so many people are willing to DECLARE racism in this case just makes them look like useful idiots.
I think him assuming martin was a thug instead of a kid just walking to the store is a bit racist and what peaked his interest.
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Nearly 2 hours and it appears that 'busa is still counting. Must take a lot of punch/head smash combos for him. I wish I was that tough!
LOL! Good one.

I'd say 12 light punches or 6 really hard ones. Happy now?

It's a ridiculous question to ask, since all you know full well that an answer can't be given.


<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%">*******><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by 'busa
Should I shoot anyone whom I'm losing a fight against because the end result might be that I become unconscious and they might curb stomp me?
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Am I going to take chances with my life? No.

"might" possibly means yes.
So yes? I should shoot anyone that gets the upper hand in a fight with me?
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