Kansas E46 Fanatics listen up!

What BBK kits are the best value? The obvious PFC, Brembo and StopTech are all like $6-7k. Preferably looking for E92 M3 fitment.

Originally Posted by cosmos///m3

I might have to take you up on that...


I have been doing some research and not if TCK or AST would be best bet...

I know AST is great. I haven't done much research on TCK, but Kevin is obviously pleased with his.

Damn andy, I thought you were done modding for a while lol. Anyways, here is what I will get if/when I do a brake kit. Its pretty far down on the list, since there is so much more to do beforehand (pole positions, various cf bits, exhaust, etc.)
http://www.ecstuning.com/News/E36_E4...rformance_BBK/

I would also see about machining the 135i rears to fit as well so I don't just have 135i fronts (thats what these are, 135i brakes). The brakes are made by brembo, and at 1200 are a bargain. Also, I'm pretty sure these aren't m3 fitment. So my post is useless.

I thought so too, but I'm already getting bored


The brakes wouldn't be for me

Oh, this looks nice: http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D850-1...ne.aspx#page=1

Dinan is way overrated IMO. But damn those are some serious gains from boring and stroking an extra .6 liters out of it, and I trust that Dinan knows what they are doing.

I feel like the 135i brakes ( both front and rear) would fit on an e90. If so I'd do that, that is a serious bargain for what you get (6 piston brembo fronts, cross drilled rotors, 2 piston rears).

its 4.0 stock. pretty good alternative to FI imo. comes with a 4 year warranty. Dinan builds the engines for the ALMS series, so hopefully they know what they're doing. I know they are very conservative sometimes and obviously overprised, but for $6k I think a new engine is worth it.

Were thinking about a modded E92 M3 with dct for my dad now. Even with a dinan engine, brakes, cf, wheels, nicest suspention I can figure out... it'll all be cheaper than a new M5.

6k actually seems really reasonable for that much work. Engine work gets expensive fast. You're talking new pistons, con rods, crank, on top of boring and honing the cylinders, and all the extra goodies they throw on top. Plus a new tune, etc, they give it to you as a long block, warranty, etc. Usually I would say Dinan is overpriced for modest gains but I actually think this is a bargain, especially given their expertise.

Originally Posted by Andy2108

its 4.0 stock. pretty good alternative to FI imo. comes with a 4 year warranty. Dinan builds the engines for the ALMS series, so hopefully they know what they're doing. I know they are very conservative sometimes and obviously overprised, but for $6k I think a new engine is worth it.

Were thinking about a modded E92 M3 with dct for my dad now. Even with a dinan engine, brakes, cf, wheels, nicest suspention I can figure out... it'll all be cheaper than a new M5.

6K? WTF LOL

You add those two numbers together then you get your "core" price back when you send in a good working core.

But $26K for that isn't bad...

Im gonna need to clean my undies out, after that one. Understeer needs to be worked out.

Originally Posted by sly1types

6K? WTF LOL

You add those two numbers together then you get your "core" price back when you send in a good working core.

But $26K for that isn't bad...

THIS!!

I didnt even read the link last night, I thought you were still talking about a BBK for 6k...

Yea that engine is 46k and you might get 20k back for a good core.

I'd do a coyote 5.0 conversion for that price(new mustang 5.0).

Also, these numbers do no impress me for 26k.

Peak Horsepower: 527@ 7800 rpm - maximum gain of 129 hp @ 6000 rpm

Peak Torque: 407 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm - maximum gain of 124 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm

Originally Posted by Andy2108

What BBK kits are the best value? The obvious PFC, Brembo and StopTech are all like $6-7k. Preferably looking for E92 M3 fitment.

StopTech is the best budget BBK on the market. It's cheaper than Brembro and PFC and has cheaper replacement parts like rotors and pads. It also has the widest variety of pad choices over most.

Originally Posted by carlito91

Damn andy, I thought you were done modding for a while lol. Anyways, here is what I will get if/when I do a brake kit. Its pretty far down on the list, since there is so much more to do beforehand (pole positions, various cf bits, exhaust, etc.)
http://www.ecstuning.com/News/E36_E4...rformance_BBK/

I would also see about machining the 135i rears to fit as well so I don't just have 135i fronts (thats what these are, 135i brakes). The brakes are made by brembo, and at 1200 are a bargain. Also, I'm pretty sure these aren't m3 fitment. So my post is useless.

Bias bro. I don't know why people like taking calipers off other cars. Those were designed by Brembo to work for that particular car. Throwing those on just any car is going to massivly affect the bias, which may be a good thing or may be a terrible thing. It would depend on the car and the bias calcs. I just think people that want to throw those on any car without doing the math behind it are crazy. This kit was made for people with pure looks in mind, it looks great, but may kill braking performance.

Originally Posted by Rubenk

Also, these numbers do no impress me for 26k.

Peak Horsepower: 527@ 7800 rpm - maximum gain of 129 hp @ 6000 rpm

Peak Torque: 407 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm - maximum gain of 124 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm

For a BMW motor those are great gains.

Originally Posted by PerkM3

For a BMW motor those are great gains.

They might be great gains from stock, but the overall numbers dont impress. I could take a mid 1970s Ford 5.0 and make 250hp and it would be a 130hp increase over stock, but still pathetic numbers.

Originally Posted by Rubenk

They might be great gains from stock, but the overall numbers dont impress. I could take a mid 1970s Ford 5.0 and make 250hp and it would be a 130hp increase over stock, but still pathetic numbers.

Yeah and it would rev to 6.5k. So you're saying that you're not impressed by a 4.6 v8 with 530 hp that revs to 8k rpm?

Don't compare BMW to Ford. BMW designs engines right the first time where ford just throws crap together and lets engine builders take care of it by porting, polishing, stroking, head work..........................Just think what would happen if they took one of those massive 5.0 motors and did it right the first time.

Sh1t, what's a 5.0 make from the factory? It's damn near the same as my 10 year old 3.2 I6 S54.

Originally Posted by PerkM3

Yeah and it would rev to 6.5k. So you're saying that you're not impressed by a 4.6 v8 with 530 hp that revs to 8k rpm?

Don't compare BMW to Ford. BMW designs engines right the first time where ford just throws crap together and lets engine builders take care of it by porting, polishing, stroking, head work..........................Just think what would happen if they took one of those massive 5.0 motors and did it right the first time.

Sh1t, what's a 5.0 make from the factory? It's damn near the same as my 10 year old 3.2 I6 S54.

No i'm not impressed with it for 26,000+$.

I wasnt comparing Ford to BMW, I was comparing that "adding" power to something that isnt impressive to begin with, doesnt make it impressive.

I AM however impressed with the stock engine, 420bhp N/A V8 is always respectable.

But to pay 26,000 just to gain ~120hp is silly, unless that is the only way to stay in a certain race class or something like that.

S65 isn't impressive from the factory? its over 100hp/liter...

Originally Posted by Rubenk

No i'm not impressed with it for 26,000+$.

I wasnt comparing Ford to BMW, I was comparing that "adding" power to something that isnt impressive to begin with, doesnt make it impressive.

I can't say whether I'm impressed or not, the price is what someone is willing to pay for it. But for a NA BMW with a V8 I think those numbers are impressive. Now whether it's worth the money is a different question and will always depend on who you ask.

I'm just giving you a hard time about Ford. Unless it's a Ford with Motons then it's uber ghey to me.

Originally Posted by Rubenk

I AM however impressed with the stock engine, 420bhp N/A V8 is always respectable.

But to pay 26,000 just to gain ~120hp is silly, unless that is the only way to stay in a certain race class or something like that.

ok.

however, I disagree. $216 per hp gained NA is pretty special.

Originally Posted by PerkM3

Yeah and it would rev to 6.5k. So you're saying that you're not impressed by a 4.6 v8 with 530 hp that revs to 8k rpm?

Don't compare BMW to Ford. BMW designs engines right the first time where ford just throws crap together and lets engine builders take care of it by porting, polishing, stroking, head work..........................Just think what would happen if they took one of those massive 5.0 motors and did it right the first time.

Sh1t, what's a 5.0 make from the factory? It's damn near the same as my 10 year old 3.2 I6 S54.

Torque.