Obama's NEW plan of attack -- no more attacking!

Originally Posted by badfast

People that believed Gitmo was going to close were kool-aid drinkers. I am just as annoyed by the people that didn't want it closed but ***** that Obama failed on his promise to close it.

Prices will go down when everyone has healthcare. Prices are so high now because they have to account for the uninsured. Whether people want health care or not they need it because why should everyone else carry their burden?

No, they won't go down. Companies will quit providing it, pay the fee instead. Then everyone gets on govt health insurance. The service will be horrid, I did it for 20+ years that way...the military. So, how many "great military doctor" stories have ya heard in your life?
Then after about 40 years or so it will get so bad that we'll be back to a free market system, but insurance companies will finally be able to compete for business (aka GOP plan). Print this and save it so I can say I told you so!!

Total, major ****-up, you'll see.

Never-mind, I'll be dead in 40. (probably from sh!tty healthcare!! Lol)

You love to b*tch about the government, don't you?

Kind of odd, considering you've been swinging from the government teat for decades.

Some of that good old fashioned conservatism, eh?

Originally Posted by radarcontact

No, they won't go down. Companies will quit providing it, pay the fee instead. Then everyone gets on govt health insurance. The service will be horrid, I did it for 20+ years that way...the military. So, how many "great military doctor" stories have ya heard in your life?
Then after about 40 years or so it will get so bad that we'll be back to a free market system, but insurance companies will finally be able to compete for business (aka GOP plan). Print this and save it so I can say I told you so!!

Total, major ****-up, you'll see.

I was in the military and the entire time I had great service. My wisdom teeth were pulled by a military doc and everything went perfect. I had my appendix go in Korea and the surgery was done immediately by a military doctor and the entire process went perfect.

The government health care systems work in Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Switzerland, and Canada. Why can't it work here?

As for people asking why government run health care can't work in the US, it's simple: Our nation and economy is founded upon individual sovereignty not socialism. It's THAT simple.

Your insurance premiums factor in the uninsured patient, what does that say about your "individual sovereignty"?

Originally Posted by badfast

Your insurance premiums factor in the uninsured patient, what does that say about your "individual sovereignty"?

How does it factor in? It goes to show that individual sovereignty and personal responsibility is the only solution. If uninsured individuals get sick, it's their own fault. Let the free market play out and let them die in the street.

You're creating an artificially unfair requirement by presupposing aforementioned intervention. This is the typical "unintended consequences" garbage proponents of big government always pervert.

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

How does it factor in? It goes to show that individual sovereignty and personal responsibility is the only solution. If uninsured individuals get sick, it's their own fault. Let the free market play out and let them die in the street.

You're creating an artificially unfair requirement by presupposing aforementioned intervention. This is the typical "unintended consequences" garbage proponents of big government always pervert.

One of the guys that got shot in the Aurora shooting did not have health insurance. His wife gave birth to their child (again no health insurance). Should he have been left to die in the "street", or in this case the theatre? What should have been done with the child born without health care?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...tims-finances/

Originally Posted by Lair

You love to b*tch about the government, don't you?

Kind of odd, considering you've been swinging from the government teat for decades.

Some of that good old fashioned conservatism, eh?

That's what I'm trying to get you to understand, I've been living in what you want to create for 20 years and it sucks!

And if serving my country is "swinging from the govt "teat"" then you need to move to France, because you have no business living in this country.

And while I've got you away from the Xbox in your parents' basement, I'll say this: if I didn't have to work for the govt, in my line of work, I wouldn't. Unfortunately, they have a monopoly on Air Traffic Control.

Originally Posted by badfast

I was in the military and the entire time I had great service. My wisdom teeth were pulled by a military doc and everything went perfect. I had my appendix go in Korea and the surgery was done immediately by a military doctor and the entire process went perfect.

The government health care systems work in Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Switzerland, and Canada. Why can't it work here?

Because we have over 300 million people, over 25 million illegal immigrants, a current shortage of doctors and medical staff, not to mention, a diverse society not nearly as productive as the homogenous societies you just mentioned.

Originally Posted by nfrs2000nyc

because we have over 300 million people, over 25 million illegal immigrants, a current shortage of doctors and medical staff, not to mention, a diverse society not nearly as productive as the homogenous societies you just mentioned.

+1

Originally Posted by radarcontact

That's what I'm trying to get you to understand, I've been living in what you want to create for 20 years and it sucks!

And if serving my country is "swinging from the govt "teat"" then you need to move to France, because you have no business living in this country.

And while I've got you away from the Xbox in your parents' basement, I'll say this: if I didn't have to work for the govt, in my line of work, I wouldn't. Unfortunately, they have a monopoly on Air Traffic Control.

Some folks are too stubborn to take other's advice.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Because we have over 300 million people, over 25 million illegal immigrants, a current shortage of doctors and medical staff, not to mention, a diverse society not nearly as productive as the homogenous societies you just mentioned.

None of those reasons really explain why the healthcare system can't work for us. The shortage of doctors and medical staff is easier to fix than a current system based on satisfying profits and shareholders.

People will goto the hospital regardless. The law states they must be taken care of. I would rather they contribute something to the bills they will rack up rather than pass the costs to me.

Originally Posted by badfast

I was in the military and the entire time I had great service. My wisdom teeth were pulled by a military doc and everything went perfect. I had my appendix go in Korea and the surgery was done immediately by a military doctor and the entire process went perfect.

The government health care systems work in Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Switzerland, and Canada. Why can't it work here?

I second this post... Been in 20+ years, Several surgeries, I have had very good treatment throughout the years.

Off topic: Lair, the health care for being on active duty is earned! Please tell a guy/girl that has been deployed to the AOR dodging bullets that their healthcare isn't earned and I'm most positive you'd get knocked out! You had me until you said that

Originally Posted by Swish

Off topic: Lair, the health care for being on active duty is earned! Please tell a guy/girl that has been deployed to the AOR dodging bullets that their healthcare isn't earned and I'm most positive you'd get knocked out! You had me until you said that

I didn't say it wasn't earned. It just strikes me as a bit ironic that a guy who's made a comfortable living from the government should be biting the hand that feeds him.

FTR, my stepfather was stationed at the same USAF base that radar calls home. My father was also.

Originally Posted by badfast

None of those reasons really explain why the healthcare system can't work for us. The shortage of doctors and medical staff is easier to fix than a current system based on satisfying profits and shareholders.

People will goto the hospital regardless. The law states they must be taken care of. I would rather they contribute something to the bills they will rack up rather than pass the costs to me.

This is a very big problem and one of the reasons hospitals are going bankrupt. As a result, many doctors are opening their own cash only practices. When the government see's that, they will ban it, and doctors will go to black market, the same way my father did it in Russia. His patients were military officials, politicians, and anyone else that could afford to bribe him. He still served the local community for free, but unless you have someone in your family that can actually explain to you how the current world of medicine works from the INSIDE, your opinion is nothing more than conjecture rather than fact. The fact of the matter is, this system is NOT doable here.

Originally Posted by Lair

I didn't say it wasn't earned. It just strikes me as a bit ironic that a guy who's made a comfortable living from the government should be biting the hand that feeds him.

FTR, my stepfather was stationed at the same USAF base that radar calls home. My father was also.

Got it... I must have misunderstood your post.

Originally Posted by radarcontact

No, they won't go down. Companies will quit providing it, pay the fee instead. Then everyone gets on govt health insurance.

What government health insurance is that?

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

If uninsured individuals get sick, it's their own fault. Let the free market play out and let them die in the street.

Are you really that shitty of a person?

Originally Posted by badfast

One of the guys that got shot in the Aurora shooting did not have health insurance. His wife gave birth to their child (again no health insurance). Should he have been left to die in the "street", or in this case the theatre? What should have been done with the child born without health care?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...tims-finances/

This is just one example of many. Chances are the media exposure will help the victims of the massacre, but there are many who won't be so "lucky".

Originally Posted by 'busa

Are you really that shitty of a person?

Rhetorical question?

Chase loves America so much he thinks it's OK for people to die in the street.