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Originally Posted by rohde88

I think you and glight have an extreme definition of looks. Looks isn't necessarily competing.

Looks can be a low fat, strong body. To me, that "looks" good. I don't need a bulging chest or for my arms to stretch my tshirts. Is a compound still good for this goal?

yes, I believe so. I good diet and program like starting strengh, mad cow etc will get you good looking but not as "body builder like" as a split.

Originally Posted by rohde88

I think you and glight have an extreme definition of looks. Looks isn't necessarily competing.

Looks can be a low fat, strong body. To me, that "looks" good. I don't need a bulging chest or for my arms to stretch my tshirts. Is a compound still good for this goal?

Originally Posted by DylloS

yes, I believe so. I good diet and program like starting strengh, mad cow etc will get you good looking but not as "body builder like" as a split.

I'm not saying everyone needs to look like Phil Heath, but if you try to tell me that I'm off base in saying it looks better to have muscle mass in your upper arms, I will gladly tell you you're both full of sh-t. If we look at any examples of men who are considered to have aesthetically pleasing bodies, they always have signs of working more than the big three lifts would offer. There's a material difference between something being aesthetically pleasing in its own right and being appreciable because of what it's capable of.

And Ron you say strong body but don't elaborate. I could easily argue that my way of working out leads to a strong(er) body in that I work every muscle group instead of focusing on three lifts, which inherently under-trains certain groups.

As hard as it is to believe you can achieve a lot with very few compound exercises. Look at Herschel Walker, never picked up a weight before, has always done BW (push up, abs, dips, pull ups) and he is a beast.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...Hcbp0gGy06jIBg

But then again if you aren't genetically gifted like some you have to do a bit more. But eat right, train right for what you want to accomplish and you will see results.

Personally I look to Greg Plitt for having the best body but that's just me

Originally Posted by CarterRuss

As hard as it is to believe you can achieve a lot with very few compound exercises. Look at Herschel Walker, never picked up a weight before, has always done BW (push up, abs, dips, pull ups) and he is a beast.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...Hcbp0gGy06jIBg

But then again if you aren't genetically gifted like some you have to do a bit more. But eat right, train right for what you want to accomplish and you will see results.

Personally I look to Greg Plitt for having the best body but that's just me

Walker is in shape despite himself. He's an absolute idiot when it comes to diet/nutrition/fitness, but he's hit the genetic lottery and can't not be in shape. If you think I'm off on this topic, apply his "principles" to anybody else and let me know the results (hint: they'll look more like Christian Bale in The Machinist than Christian Bale in Batman).

Plitt, aside from being in some really cheesy ads, has a great physique and unquestionably works out like a bodybuilder. This is not the result of not doing arms.

no I agree that Walker has a gift but that is the realization with some people, so just simply saying something doesn't work isn't right. Only way to rule out a workout plan is to try it and see how it works for you. You also could consider Plitt to be an "idiot" because he only eats one true meal a day. And while Walker's workout/diet routine is unconventional, it works for him so why would he change it?

Also the real main point of this is, is that you can't make any sort of gains in 25 minutes. 45-75 minutes of solid work regardless of nature of the work is going to yield results. Now what your goal is and what works for you is going to vary.

Originally Posted by dwass325

If we look at any examples of men who are considered to have aesthetically pleasing bodies, they always have signs of working more than the big three lifts would offer. There's a material difference between something being aesthetically pleasing in its own right and being appreciable because of what it's capable of.

And Ron you say strong body but don't elaborate. I could easily argue that my way of working out leads to a strong(er) body in that I work every muscle group instead of focusing on three lifts, which inherently under-trains certain groups.

I'll have to unpack this some more, but I think we don't see eye-to-eye on what is aesthetically pleasing in a relative sense.

-I agree those guys are aesthetically pleasing, but so don't realistically see that as a target. Therefore my "aesthetic" is further down the bell curve.

So, for that body, are isolated movements necessary? Sure its helpful...

Originally Posted by CarterRuss

As hard as it is to believe you can achieve a lot with very few compound exercises. Look at Herschel Walker, never picked up a weight before, has always done BW (push up, abs, dips, pull ups) and he is a beast.
But then again if you aren't genetically gifted like some you have to do a bit more. But eat right, train right for what you want to accomplish and you will see results.

Without delving into racial issues, I wouldn't compare most people to genetically gifted people. Six pack abs seem pretty common for some groups, definitely not Asians.

Originally Posted by rohde88

Without delving into racial issues, I wouldn't compare most people to genetically gifted people. Six pack abs seem pretty common for some groups, definitely not Asians.

That isn't quite what I meant as far as genetics. I simply mean the ability to grow and build certain muscles. For instance, I can jump in weight on my back exercises but in chest exercises, I lack. Some guys can put weight on very easily, for me it is difficult. Genetics have a large part in how your body responds to workouts/diets

Originally Posted by CarterRuss

That isn't quite what I meant as far as genetics. I simply mean the ability to grow and build certain muscles. For instance, I can jump in weight on my back exercises but in chest exercises, I lack. Some guys can put weight on very easily, for me it is difficult. Genetics have a large part in how your body responds to workouts/diets

Yea and when I was 15, I worked out with my best friend every day over a summer. We did the same workouts, ate identical food, drink, etc. At the end of it, he had an 8 pack and I was lucky to have a two pack.

He was black. I was chubby.

This part

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Originally Posted by Mike Larry

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^ it was one of the related videos after you play the video above mine. the music had me rolling

found this too

My roommate, mass inspiration.

"to give any less than your best is to sacrifice a gift" - Unknown

"lift heavy and take your multi" - Socrates

Originally Posted by kushy

"to give any less than your best is to sacrifice a gift" - Unknown

"lift heavy and take your multi" - Socrates

Bro that was Galileo.

Do you even lift?

Originally Posted by B_Cyrus

Bro that was Galileo.

Do you even lift?

do you even respond?

Originally Posted by Mike Larry

found this too

hurts to watch