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Old 08-24-2012, 08:21 AM   #21
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This just makes me really happy I'm not interested in "competitive cycling"... what a cluster@#$##@.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:38 AM   #22
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I started to get into cycling, but when I learned that quite a few guys I raced against (only race I ever did) were using "undisclosed supplements," I said to hell with it.

I will say that all the people I raced when I skated were 100% clean. If they weren't, their steroids were absolute crap since I was right there with them. I once placed 13th overall out of 345 people in a full marathon at an 18.98 MPH pace... which is hauling ass for an amateur. I was only 24 seconds behind first place, so you can imagine how close of a race it really was.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:02 PM   #25
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I love how Lance just peaced out. Who needs years of bickering in a court room, getting your lawyers fat and wasting precious time. There are much bigger things in life.
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The sport is dirty and cheaters must pay.


It was a matter of time before this guy was found guilty.


Guys u have to understand there are new ways to test.

Cheaters have had an advantage for some time. Tech is catching up.
I don't really look at it as cheating. Most people can do it if they really want, most people do do it-source- a child hood friend who is a pro athlete.

Just allow everyone to do it and there's no issue. I don't want to hear the argument about "it's not fair to previous generations players"

Did those players wear gloves when catching footballs, did they have the modern day gym facilities, did they have the technology of new equipment? No, they didn't. chalk up the steroid use to improvements in the tech of the sports.

The biggest thing to take away from this is that there are things in each and every sport that contribute to "better athletes" now than in previous years, more than steroids do and the entire reason for the steroid debate is because people are shattering records, not because some minor league player can't get them too.

BTW, most people don't know sh1t about steroids and think you automatically get better at a sport while on them.

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Old 08-24-2012, 12:13 PM   #27
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Lance admitted to cheating, his teammates admitting to cheating and his closest friends admitted to it.

Just because someone is good at acting, sports or singing.. we think they are perfect or something

It's funny

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I don't agree

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It was a matter of time before this guy was found guilty.


Guys u have to understand there are new ways to test.

Cheaters have had an advantage for some time. Tech is catching up.
He passed hundreds of blood and urine tests. They are getting there doping info from people they caught doping, and were still allowed to cycle if they specifically said lance was doping. There was no evidence or proof after 15 years of blood and urine tests.
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Lance admitted to cheating, his teammates admitting to cheating and his closest friends admitted to it.

Just because someone is good at acting, sports or singing.. we think they are perfect or something

It's funny

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Did I miss something? When did Lance admit to cheating?

EDIT: JJ I totally agree with you in the celebrity false idol thing, but I think Lance is a great idol for kids to look up to. He beat cancer and afterwards became one of the fittest men on the planet. He conquered his sport and continues to fight cancer via philanthropy. This USADA thing sounds like a witch hunt to me. I remember reading an article a couple years back on one of their 'agents' that was hell bent on bringing down Lance. What a total douche.

Let's not forget that this is still 'Mercia. As far I'm concerned Lance is innocent until proven guilty. AFAIK he hasn't been proven guilty of anything yet.

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Old 08-24-2012, 12:39 PM   #30
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The part that the USADA is a private organization that makes and decides its own rules, and still hasn't found anything more than strong indicators of doping, is enough grounds to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour de France titles is wrong. I can easily see how a person would no longer want to take part of something that isn't even part of the legal system.

At the same time, the fact that Armstrong just gave up on the dispute means there will never be any definite answer, only a definite ruling.

Overall a sad outcome, both being declared a cheater, and not knowing for sure if he ever was a cheater. The only thing I know for sure is that USADA and this ruling has put the last nail on the coffin for me when it comes to competitive cycling.

He passed his drug tests when they were given. It is not his job to prove he is innocent, it is their job to prove he is guilty. And they never did that. They have been dragging Lance around for years and they are no closer to proving him guilty now than when they started.

He defended himself for several years and I guess they wore him out. I wonder how much money he spent in legal fees and lost endorsements from this ?

BTW, bike racing is a major event in France. I wonder if the French were pushing the investigation to strip him of his medals because he was American and not French ? Just a random thought............
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My life with Lance Armstrong: Personal assistant tells how he 'found steroids in cyclist's bathroom cabinet and was fired within a year'
Mike Anderson was personal assistant to Lance Armstrong for two years between 2002 and 2004
Was a cycling contemporary of the legendary athlete as they grew up in Texas
Claims his relationship with Armstrong deteriorated after he discovered drugs in the cyclists bathroom in 2004 - although he never told his employer
Says that Armstrong is callous and heartless and dumped his first wife on a beach in Santa Barbara, California and watched her spiral into depression
Alleges Armstrong took kick-backs when he raced in Europe and may not have declared them to the I.R.S
Alleges that Armstrong has little time for his Livestrong foundation saying at one 2003 event: 'I hate these f***ing things.'
When Armstrong was confronted about doping by Anderson he said 'Everybody does it'
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'Armstrong would often return from Europe with money stuffed into his pants,' said Anderson.

'It was clumsily concealed from authorities, but this was easy to get away with for a celebrity flying in and out of private air terminals, where control over passengers was fairly lax.

'The cash came from the post-Tour races that are an important part of the cycling culture in Europe, because they allow people in smaller French towns, or outside France altogether, to see pros racing on their local roads.

'All a rider had to do was show up, race for a while, and collect payment, which was made under the table.

'Whether he declared this as income or not, I don’t know.'
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I don't know why they keep bringing this up. If he passed the tests then, leave him alone.
The rumor mill says it's because he was trying to get seriously into triathlons, potentially Ironman. If he would have stayed retired, USADA would have left him alone because the Fed investigation didn't turn up enough to charge him, and the TdF wins were long enough ago.

But the fact that he was going to get big into tris, and there are all these people accusing him (Landis, Hamilton, allegedly Hincapie, Andreu, etc, his link to Ferrari) meant the USADA had to take their shot at him. They couldn't just stand by and let someone so high-profile, with so much suspicion swirling around him, compete in pro-level tris without addressing the issue, either by going after him or publicly dismissing the accusations.

None of that means that USADA is right, or that Lance never doped. But that's "supposedly" why they filed their charges against him.



Re: passing the tests, I agree. If you have a stack of empirical, objective testing data that says he's clean, and you have "eyewitness" testimony that says he's not, you'd better be able to explain why the test data says he's clean.

Did he dodge the tests? Did he bribe the lab? Did he use some exotic stuff that doesn't show up on the tests? All possibilities. But before you throw out all your objective test data and find someone "guilty" IMHO you'd better be able to explain why.


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I don't really look at it as cheating. Most people can do it if they really want, most people do do it-source- a child hood friend who is a pro athlete.

Just allow everyone to do it and there's no issue. I don't want to hear the argument about "it's not fair to previous generations players"

Did those players wear gloves when catching footballs, did they have the modern day gym facilities, did they have the technology of new equipment? No, they didn't. chalk up the steroid use to improvements in the tech of the sports.

The biggest thing to take away from this is that there are things in each and every sport that contribute to "better athletes" now than in previous years, more than steroids do and the entire reason for the steroid debate is because people are shattering records, not because some minor league player can't get them too.

BTW, most people don't know sh1t about steroids and think you automatically get better at a sport while on them.
I'm on the fence about just letting athletes dope if they want. On the one hand, I agree with you that if a doper wants to take these risks and make these sacrifices, that's his/her choice.

On the other hand, do we really want to create an entire sports world where it's simply impossible to compete without doping? Or without being able to afford the newest, coolest drugs? How many people will have access to good, accurate information about dosages, cycles, recoveries, risks, etc?

Another question is at what age should an athlete be allowed to start doping? Should doping be allowed in college football, but not high school? Will kids start getting needles and patches for their 18th birthday?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think we need to look a long ways down that road before we decide to go that direction.

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Lance admitted to cheating, his teammates admitting to cheating and his closest friends admitted to it.

Just because someone is good at acting, sports or singing.. we think they are perfect or something

It's funny

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Where did Lance admit to cheating?

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Who cares? Just because he doesn't like attending charity events, does that mean he's a doper, or disingenuous, or even a bad guy?

I don't know the guy, never met him. But if you just isolate Livestrong and look at the visibility and awareness it's brought to helping cancer patients, the fact that Lance doesn't like attending certain events is completely irrelevant.

What should he have done? Forced himself to like attending the events? Never started Livestrong because he hates attending events?

Even if it's true that he said that, and even if it means exactly what it sounds like it means, IDGAF. I've been in that exact same situation, it's my job or my obligation to attend a function, but I hate it. I put on a happy face and do what I have to do, but I might admit to someone I trust that I'd rather be anywhere else.
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Old 09-01-2012, 05:45 PM   #35
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A nobody who talk like he had hots for lance armstrong's wife, took lance armstrong to court, and goes to news companies to tell everyone about lance armstrong is totally legit. There is no way he could have ever done that for publicity or attention. NEVER!


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I don't know why they keep bringing this up. If he passed the tests then, leave him alone.
U know Marion jones passed several ped tests so don't even go there.


Armstrong is a cheater and there are so many people ready to testify too.

The sport is so dirty - got it?
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U know Marion jones passed several ped tests so don't even go there.


Armstrong is a cheater and there are so many people ready to testify too.

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I don't really look at it as cheating. Most people can do it if they really want, most people do do it-source- a child hood friend who is a pro athlete.

Just allow everyone to do it and there's no issue. I don't want to hear the argument about "it's not fair to previous generations players"

Did those players wear gloves when catching footballs, did they have the modern day gym facilities, did they have the technology of new equipment? No, they didn't. chalk up the steroid use to improvements in the tech of the sports.

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BTW, most people don't know sh1t about steroids and think you automatically get better at a sport while on them.
If they allowed for peds through regulation then I agree. There are some out there that don't dope

So it's what's fair in the spirit of the competition.

In sports everyone cheats - what is acceptable ?

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