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Old 09-06-2012, 08:48 AM   #61
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Manual is more fun than auto
Highly debatable. My previous car was a 6-speed manual and I wanted the auto because the manual was often less fun. I know everyone loves operating their transmission, but some of us find heel toeing (which I did) to be an indication of an obnoxious and inefficient control system.

I have two feet, if you design the car so that I need to hit three pedals with two feet, you failed.

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Yeah that's one reason why I don't manually shift because of the half a second delay in shifting gears.
I don't know how long shifting takes in an E46 manual, but I know how long it took me in my type-s RSX, and it's not exactly super fast if you're shifting smoothly. If you're matching revs and not power-shifting, it takes a little while. The difference is that you don't notice because you're busy doing something.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:03 AM   #62
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:21 AM   #63
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steptronic owner here. 03 325i Like alot of people I wanted a manual but didnt have the time to look around, But I enjoy it for what its worth. I actually didnt plan getting a BMW until about a week before I got it. picked it up on a wednsday and took it on a 3 hour road trip the next day to be in a wedding so I pretty much hit the ground running with it.

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this was a few weeks ago. Nothing much has changed. I have put in an aux port, front license plate relocation with the trim piece delete, 2500k yellow fog bulbs and I put LEDs for my rear plate lights. Still a long list on what I want to do. just wish I had a money tree in my back yard

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Old 09-06-2012, 10:52 AM   #64
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Highly debatable. My previous car was a 6-speed manual and I wanted the auto because the manual was often less fun. I know everyone loves operating their transmission, but some of us find heel toeing (which I did) to be an indication of an obnoxious and inefficient control system.

I have two feet, if you design the car so that I need to hit three pedals with two feet, you failed.



I don't know how long shifting takes in an E46 manual, but I know how long it took me in my type-s RSX, and it's not exactly super fast if you're shifting smoothly. If you're matching revs and not power-shifting, it takes a little while. The difference is that you don't notice because you're busy doing something.


I'm sorry if you suck at shifting.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:58 AM   #65
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I'm sorry if you suck at shifting.
I'd lay odds I'm better at it than you are, but I could be wrong. I don't know you, but those are the odds.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:32 PM   #66
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How much quicker does it feel over stock with this stuff?
Kinda hard to say as I never did all at once but I can say for sure feels a lot more quick with gear changes and throttle response is much much better. Plus can hear the k&n screaming a lot more . As for my engine bay yes I know bit to much but got it from a local guy for cheep and just put it on here for now. I don't think it's the bomb or anything like that lol.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:10 PM   #67
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:10 PM   #68
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Another steptronic owner here.
I am happy with my choice of getting a steptronic(auto) for a DD. When I need passing power I just downshift in manual mode.

If it was a weekend or a track car, I would take a manual over automatic, just because you need that control on the track. But for a daily driver to be driving in a bumper to bumper traffic, I will take a steptronic over manual anyday.

May be I will put the sprint booster v2 in sometime to get rid of the lag in D mode in future. Yah, I am going to rig the center console with the M's sport button for the sprint booster setting.

If I were to buy a new M, it'd be a double clutch system. Not that I am lazy, but I like the precision of the shift and not having to shift myself when my other hand is busy doing some better things.

Dont get me wrong, I know how to drive a manual, in fact I learnt how to drive in a 4 speed manual toyota tercel and all my life I have driven motorcycles. So, I know the advantages and disadvantages of manual transmission.

With the advancement in the technology the automatics/steptronics have gone really far ahead of manuals. Imagine shifting 7-8 gears in a manual which they have now in the automatics in your everyday driving. The computer knows better than our brain to keep the engine in the optimum revs.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:19 PM   #69
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Don't want to turn this into a sprint booster discussion, but I love mine. It really helps eliminate that throttle lag. Check out the mod I have for mine to integrate it into the panel button on our car.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...sprint+booster
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:41 PM   #70
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So you just said that you wanted a manual but got the auto because it was cheaper, yet you think people who prefer manual are stupid? Manual is more fun than auto, it has little to do with speed. Auto's are fine if all you want is a sit in and relax car, as a sports car, I don't get it. As for mileage, who cares? I would happily buy another BMW with 250k or more miles on it... these cars run forever.

I'm really not trying to argue manual over auto, just saying that your argument doesn't make any sense...
you say manual is more fun that is not always the case.
it heavily depends on which manual you talking about. Ive driven two M3's and absolutely hated the manual gearbox. its gritty and sticky as hell. very vague and heavy. felt like the transmission is lubricated with sand. I've never driven a manual that requires so much force to shift every time my hand comes off when I go into 2nd gear.
my RX8 on the other hand is absolutely peach to shift. that well oiled sucking in feel. perfectly weighted and clear.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:23 PM   #71
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Don't want to turn this into a sprint booster discussion, but I love mine. It really helps eliminate that throttle lag. Check out the mod I have for mine to integrate it into the panel button on our car.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...sprint+booster
Yah, this is what I want to do. But if I get a old version of sprint booster for cheap, I will just do a single stage switch. Just on/off with a sport button.
Time to post a WTB for the panel from M3 and sprint booster.

Sorry, didnt mean to take the thread off track, but had to thank john for this mod.
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:19 PM   #72
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steptronic owner here. 03 325i Like alot of people I wanted a manual but didnt have the time to look around, But I enjoy it for what its worth. I actually didnt plan getting a BMW until about a week before I got it. picked it up on a wednsday and took it on a 3 hour road trip the next day to be in a wedding so I pretty much hit the ground running with it.

This was the day after I got it.
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this was a few weeks ago. Nothing much has changed. I have put in an aux port, front license plate relocation with the trim piece delete, 2500k yellow fog bulbs and I put LEDs for my rear plate lights. Still a long list on what I want to do. just wish I had a money tree in my back yard

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Why did you relocate the license plate? Do you take it off often?
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:48 PM   #73
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Why did you relocate the license plate? Do you take it off often?
I have the same thing. I like to ride with it off sometimes and whenever I take pictures of my car it's easy to just unbolt it really quick. I think it looks a little sportier too.

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Old 09-06-2012, 05:07 PM   #74
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:18 PM   #75
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112,000 miles

transmission rebuild at 66,000 miles

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That's a pretty damn cool 325ci, sir!

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Come on, Kiddies. Stop fighting over transmission type who gives a ****?

I wouldn't have minded a manual tranny myself but I bought my car cause it had everything else I wanted. Eg. the interior
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:19 PM   #76
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you say manual is more fun that is not always the case.
it heavily depends on which manual you talking about. Ive driven two M3's and absolutely hated the manual gearbox. its gritty and sticky as hell. very vague and heavy. felt like the transmission is lubricated with sand. I've never driven a manual that requires so much force to shift every time my hand comes off when I go into 2nd gear.
my RX8 on the other hand is absolutely peach to shift. that well oiled sucking in feel. perfectly weighted and clear.
planned on staying clear of this thread but really

are you talking about the transmission or your mangina at the beach?

bmw didn't make a version of the M3 for little girls. (closest would be the SMG) j/k

M3 shifts like just about every other bmw i've owned.

now sorry for distraction, please go on enjoying your Automatic Owners thread
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:26 PM   #77
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are you talking about the transmission or your mangina at the beach?
What's feminine about not wanting to wrap your hands around a thick shift and move it back and forth?
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:56 PM   #78
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Yah, this is what I want to do. But if I get a old version of sprint booster for cheap, I will just do a single stage switch. Just on/off with a sport button.
Time to post a WTB for the panel from M3 and sprint booster.

Sorry, didnt mean to take the thread off track, but had to thank john for this mod.
Thanks for the props. Fortunately I had William for the brains to get it done.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:27 PM   #79
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It took me a long time to get used to the shift in the E46 manuals, they were horrible. Rubbery, inaccurate, lacking in feel, notchy and with a sharp juddery clutch. On a car with 80,000km! I dealt with it because I love BMW's but my old Mazda was much nicer to row through the gears.... Luckily my E34 535i has a lovely shift on it, despite slightly worn synchro's and 270,000km.
But seriously, the guy has a point, don't start attacking his man hood. This is an autotragic love thread so keep your archaic driver-shifter effort-bound 'manual' transmission love away from here.

As to my Steptronic, I bought it because they never sold manual 330i's over here. I refused to buy a couple because they're kinda gay and also expensive, so I got stuck with a FANTASTIC automatic gearbox. Best I've ever driven and after seeing how strong they can be even on the track, I'm going to shell out $500 to have it serviced instead of swapping to manual. Already got one of those.

Positives:-
- I've taken it on the track and never even found a need to use manual gears, the sports mode is perfect!
- The normal drive mode is also beautifully economical, keeps it in nice and high gears when I accelerate gently!
- I LOVE the engine braking function, I use my brakes half as much down hills, I just gently touch them and it'll downshift and hold speed! GREAT feature. Took a while to get used to helping it change back up when I hit the bottom of the hill (it used to get stuck in the lower gear for a bit) but I'm good with it now.

Complaints though (here's to being hypocritical!):-
- Takes off in second gear, sometimes leaves me stranded as it realises it needs to shift down into first, whilst I've already got heavy throttle on. Jerky, annoying and dangerous. Cure is to put it into sports mode, but still annoying.
- The normal drive mode needs to learn to down shift as you slow down earlier, it constantly realises it needs a lower gear too late and down-shifts at silly times. Cure is sports mode.
- When in sports mode, despite no throttle load, it will hold lower gears indefinitely for no particular reason. I mean, five or six seconds for track or sports work makes sense but the way it is is kind of annoying...
- The adaptive shift resets nearly every time you turn the car on, how are you supposed to learn, it's like trying to teach a goldfish how to sit!?
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Apparently the sprint booster is a fantastic upgrade for the worst feature of the entire car. That STUPID throttle. But why does it have to cost $300!? SO much money for SO little!?
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It took me a long time to get used to the shift in the E46 manuals, they were horrible. Rubbery, inaccurate, lacking in feel, notchy and with a sharp juddery clutch. On a car with 80,000km! I dealt with it because I love BMW's but my old Mazda was much nicer to row through the gears.... Luckily my E34 535i has a lovely shift on it, despite slightly worn synchro's and 270,000km.
But seriously, the guy has a point, don't start attacking his man hood. This is an autotragic love thread so keep your archaic driver-shifter effort-bound 'manual' transmission love away from here.

As to my Steptronic, I bought it because they never sold manual 330i's over here. I refused to buy a couple because they're kinda gay and also expensive, so I got stuck with a FANTASTIC automatic gearbox. Best I've ever driven and after seeing how strong they can be even on the track, I'm going to shell out $500 to have it serviced instead of swapping to manual. Already got one of those.

Positives:-
- I've taken it on the track and never even found a need to use manual gears, the sports mode is perfect!
- The normal drive mode is also beautifully economical, keeps it in nice and high gears when I accelerate gently!
- I LOVE the engine braking function, I use my brakes half as much down hills, I just gently touch them and it'll downshift and hold speed! GREAT feature. Took a while to get used to helping it change back up when I hit the bottom of the hill (it used to get stuck in the lower gear for a bit) but I'm good with it now.

Complaints though (here's to being hypocritical!):-
- Takes off in second gear, sometimes leaves me stranded as it realises it needs to shift down into first, whilst I've already got heavy throttle on. Jerky, annoying and dangerous. Cure is to put it into sports mode, but still annoying.
- The normal drive mode needs to learn to down shift as you slow down earlier, it constantly realises it needs a lower gear too late and down-shifts at silly times. Cure is sports mode.
- When in sports mode, despite no throttle load, it will hold lower gears indefinitely for no particular reason. I mean, five or six seconds for track or sports work makes sense but the way it is is kind of annoying...
- The adaptive shift resets nearly every time you turn the car on, how are you supposed to learn, it's like trying to teach a goldfish how to sit!?
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Apparently the sprint booster is a fantastic upgrade for the worst feature of the entire car. That STUPID throttle. But why does it have to cost $300!? SO much money for SO little!?
I've been using S mode for the first time a couple days in a row now, light years better than any other auto I've driven. I like it more than M mode
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