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Old 09-14-2012, 01:15 AM   #41
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That's really interesting because the Landcruiser I used to drive felt very much like your average SUV. I had an SR5 4Runner too.
I had a Jeep Cherokee before the Landcruiser. That felt like an SUV and had a lot of body motion if you made quick steering inputs. The Landcruiser was much more stable and had stiffer dampers that made the car much more stable on the street, but still had a lot of steering slop just like most SUVs. Going off-road a few times, the car gets to be at pretty crazy angles and does just fine as well. I even managed to get all four wheels spinning with the Landcruiser in the rain trying to do a drift, and once it caught traction, it didn't snap back violently, which I've even felt some sedans do.

I always drove the Landcruiser like it was a big tall SUV though.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:28 AM   #44
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new guy not knowing what the X5 is really capable of and how reliable it CAN be
not a new guy

buuuuuuuuuuuut idk my family has always used to have land cruisers and not a single problem , X5 reliability esp the V8s and even the new one with the N55 is compared to a land cruiser.
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I had a Jeep Cherokee before the Landcruiser. That felt like an SUV and had a lot of body motion if you made quick steering inputs. The Landcruiser was much more stable and had stiffer dampers that made the car much more stable on the street, but still had a lot of steering slop just like most SUVs. Going off-road a few times, the car gets to be at pretty crazy angles and does just fine as well. I even managed to get all four wheels spinning with the Landcruiser in the rain trying to do a drift, and once it caught traction, it didn't snap back violently, which I've even felt some sedans do.

I always drove the Landcruiser like it was a big tall SUV though.
I had the exact opposite experience with Toyota and deem the X5 to be 85% as reliable, 100% as capable off-road, and 150% better at on-road driving.

If you rid the pressurized cooling system with waterless coolant + a different BAR cap, and the engine isn't near 100K on the same seals & timing chain guides, you're more than golden.


I post these same 2 videos all the time

These are standard crap tires on a very steep slope. It may not look that way in the video but it's steep and slippery. I've had a hard time getting a lifted 1500 Silverado on muds getting up a dry slope at equal grade




These are low pro tires wading through a river with the water level reaching the intake





With a little work the X5 can pretty much go anywhere, however I'm not sure about how good the rear bumper clearance is.




I get Top Gear makes Toyota seem "unstoppable", and I do know the mid to late 80's 4Runners ARE one of the best off-road platforms you can have, but it's so funny to see how much people understate the extreme testing BMW puts into the X5... It's not just a lifted 5 series with an SUV shell.
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Those X5's look sharp, didn't know they were that capable. Thanks for the videos!
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I had the exact opposite experience with Toyota and deem the X5 to be 85% as reliable, 100% as capable off-road, and 150% better at on-road driving.

If you rid the pressurized cooling system with waterless coolant + a different BAR cap, and the engine isn't near 100K on the same seals & timing chain guides, you're more than golden.


I post these same 2 videos all the time

These are standard crap tires on a very steep slope. It may not look that way in the video but it's steep and slippery. I've had a hard time getting a lifted 1500 Silverado on muds getting up a dry slope at equal grade



These are low pro tires wading through a river with the water level reaching the intake




With a little work the X5 can pretty much go anywhere, however I'm not sure about how good the rear bumper clearance is.




I get Top Gear makes Toyota seem "unstoppable", and I do know the mid to late 80's 4Runners ARE one of the best off-road platforms you can have, but it's so funny to see how much people understate the extreme testing BMW puts into the X5... It's not just a lifted 5 series with an SUV shell.
My basis to comparison was a 2005 BMW X3 to a 1994 Toyota Landcruiser doing some local fire trails. The X3 was horrible when it came to ground clearance and wheel articulation. Overall grip off-road was way down between a wheel constantly being off the ground due to stiff and insufficient suspension travel, the tires having too small and stiff of a sidewall, and the electronic aids not really knowing how to deal with the situation. Both cars being completely stock. With the Landcruiser, you just put the transfer case to low gear, the differentials electronically locked, and you just drive with much greater ease.

The BMW X cars definitely aren't lifted sedans, like that stupid 5 series GT, but they also are pretty lacking for anything off asphalt.
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X5 is better? The x5 has the same offroad ability as my s2000.
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Those X5's look sharp, didn't know they were that capable. Thanks for the videos!
I completely destroyed the diffs on my friends x6 (same car as the x5 really) by driving hard through 3" of standing water to make a big splash. They all had water in them.
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I had the exact opposite experience with Toyota and deem the X5 to be 85% as reliable, 100% as capable off-road, and 150% better at on-road driving.

If you rid the pressurized cooling system with waterless coolant + a different BAR cap, and the engine isn't near 100K on the same seals & timing chain guides, you're more than golden.


I post these same 2 videos all the time

These are standard crap tires on a very steep slope. It may not look that way in the video but it's steep and slippery. I've had a hard time getting a lifted 1500 Silverado on muds getting up a dry slope at equal grade




These are low pro tires wading through a river with the water level reaching the intake





With a little work the X5 can pretty much go anywhere, however I'm not sure about how good the rear bumper clearance is.




I get Top Gear makes Toyota seem "unstoppable", and I do know the mid to late 80's 4Runners ARE one of the best off-road platforms you can have, but it's so funny to see how much people understate the extreme testing BMW puts into the X5... It's not just a lifted 5 series with an SUV shell.
Oh, and I'll love to see a dealer see a video like this and say "why yes sir, we will warranty your differentials."
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Those X5's look sharp, didn't know they were that capable. Thanks for the videos!
They are "capable" but comparing an X5 to a Jeep, a Land Cruiser, a G wagon, or even a Land Rover is way off base. They are not in the same league. I don't see anyone ever choosing to use an X5 as an expedition rig.

I don't see anyone doing this with an x5...









Now, is it POSSIBLE to convert an X5 to be an offroad machine? Probably. However, like said earlier, I would never trust an X5 to get me home like I would a Jeep or a Land Cruiser.
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