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Old 09-14-2012, 12:19 PM   #141
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So is your theory that the government should dictate our lives to ensure that people "live better"? If so, why not have the government ration foods, mandate exercise periods, and turn off electricity to homes to ensure people are getting 8 hours of sleep? At what point do you draw a line in the name of personal liberties?

Why shouldn't Bob be allowed to get as fat as he like, smoke as much as he'd please, and do as little exercise as he can? So long as he is required to deal with the ramifications (and pay for them), I"m all for it.

FWIW, those same institutions that are suposed to be helping (SS for example) are all going belly up because they are unsustainable and politicians keep dipping their hands into those "savings accounts" to pay for other schemes aimed at buying them votes.

Simply playing devil's advocate.
You know, in a simplistic view, I'm also all for people being responsible of their own actions, i.e. you get fat, you pay for it. A libertarian society, if you will. The problem is, it will cause some pretty crazy social unrest from those who feel that they are entitled to healthcare, welfare, etc because it's true; many have dug pits for themselves, or were born into "pits", so them and their families cannot survive without those social niceties.

So you better bet if all healthcare systems decided that they will only be treating those who prove that they can pay (through insurance or sufficient personal assets), that there will be mobs of people doing crazy sh!t to try to get treated and that I will be carrying a gun on my person around the hospital and pretty much anywhere I go.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:37 PM   #142
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It is not the duty of the US Federal, State, or Local governments to dictate how free Americans live their lives.
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on speed limits, stop signs, traffic lights and school zones. I'm guessing you'd think America would be a better place without them.


And for what it's worth, they're not restricting your ability to buy soda. So...
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:45 PM   #144
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I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on speed limits, stop signs, traffic lights and school zones. I'm guessing you'd think America would be a better place without them.


And for what it's worth, they're not restricting your ability to buy soda. So...
Driving is not a right. Buying a legal product in any quantity is. Furthermore, driving recklessly is a danger to others. Eating recklessly is not.
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Driving is not a right. Buying a legal product in any quantity is.
Neither are human rights, sorry hass.
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Neither are human rights, sorry hass.
What exactly are "human" rights?
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Driving is not a right. Buying a legal product in any quantity is.
Where in the Constitution does it speak to the latter? And correct me if I am wrong, but there is no restriction on the quantity in which you can purchase overall.

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Old 09-14-2012, 12:49 PM   #148
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Driving is not a right.
Disagree. It sure is
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Buying a legal product in any quantity is.
Disagree. It is not
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What exactly are "human" rights?
The rights all humans have, as humans. Your basic rights. You're a smart cookie, I'm sure you know them. I'm sure you also know "buying goods in any quantity" is not part of your basic rights as a human.
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Disagree. It is not
Then we can agree to disagree. If you are referring to the freedom of movement act it does not allow a person to drive. Driving is a shall issue privilege. Anyone over the age of whatever can get a license and can lose it if they misbehave. This cannot be with a right. A right cannot be taken away.

Watched the video. It seemed it is a collection of laws strung together to make it look like it is a right when in reality it isn't.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:57 PM   #152
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The rights all humans have, as humans. Your basic rights. You're a smart cookie, I'm sure you know them. I'm sure you also know "buying goods in any quantity" is not part of your basic rights as a human.
There is no such thing as human rights so stop with the non sense. It is my human right to eat. It doesn't say I have to buy my food but I can't just randomly go around hunting my food can I? It is my human right to eat fish but I am not allowed to without a fishing license.
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JJ, show me an law limiting an individuals right to purchase a good in any quantity....a legal and an uncontrolled good.
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There is no such thing as human rights so stop with the non sense.
Lol. Funny response from Mr. Israeli over here.
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Lol. Funny response from Mr. Israeli over here.
You'll never guess why his family fled the Soviet Union. It makes it even more ironic
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Being serious, Type 2 Diabeetus has went from 30MM in 1985, to 285MM in 2010. Genetics can play a part, but lifestyle also has its part in it.


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Lol. Funny response from Mr. Israeli over here.
Human rights that you speak of are a religious thing, given to us by god. Civil rights are granted by government. Sadly, you sound like a babbling troll since you cant differentiate the difference.
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You'll never guess why his family fled the Soviet Union. It makes it even more ironic
please, do tell.

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Human rights that you speak of are a religious thing, given to us by god. Civil rights are granted by government. Sadly, you sound like a babbling troll since you cant differentiate the difference.
Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.
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Being serious, Type 2 Diabeetus has went from 30MM in 1985, to 285MM in 2010. Genetics can play a part, but lifestyle also has its part in it.


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Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.
Well ok then. You are
Obviously right since you used the same word three times. Explain to me then why there are so many laws in the US violating human rights.
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