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Old 09-14-2012, 05:20 PM   #61
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Definitely agree with you, but weak point training has it's benefits to improve whole lifts.
+1. I wish my weak point in the DL was from the knees up. Id much rather do rack pulls than halting deads, 1 1/4 deads, or deficit deads.

Those all suck....

I'm at the point where if gets more than a couple of inches off the ground, I know I'm making the lift.
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In the whole "dangerous part of the lift" etc... I get it to an extent. But wouldn't you want to train for real life challenges? If you can't deadlift 500lbs properly from ground up, that means you couldn't do the same for a box you need to move, whatever. Kinda faux strength training imo, but definitely of benefit. I should mention my 1RM is 315 so I don't have much of a clue in the difficulty
1. Some of us want to be muscular and don't make apologies for it.

2. Just bc I don't pull 500lbs from the floor doesn't mean I can't do it. I'm just smart enough to not do it often. As for functional strength...dude I work in insurance. Maybe our daily lives are different, but I'm more than strong enough for my needs.
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Old 09-14-2012, 05:45 PM   #63
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+1. I wish my weak point in the DL was from the knees up. Id much rather do rack pulls than halting deads, 1 1/4 deads, or deficit deads.

Those all suck....

I'm at the point where if gets more than a couple of inches off the ground, I know I'm making the lift.
Same here. If I fail, the weight is never coming off the floor. If it gets off the floor, it's coming all the way up.
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It's more easy to kill with a sword than with a gun.

A sword is more frightening than toy-looking gun like glock.

robbing with a sword is a good thing
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:32 PM   #64
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As for functional strength...dude I work in insurance. Maybe our daily lives are different, but I'm more than strong enough for my needs.
hahaha. true!
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+1. I wish my weak point in the DL was from the knees up. Id much rather do rack pulls than halting deads, 1 1/4 deads, or deficit deads.

Those all suck....

I'm at the point where if gets more than a couple of inches off the ground, I know I'm making the lift.
if my problem is the initial lift as well do you think doing romanian deads like I have been should help too. I think my problem is hamstring strength.

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1. Some of us want to be muscular and don't make apologies for it.

2. Just bc I don't pull 500lbs from the floor doesn't mean I can't do it. I'm just smart enough to not do it often. As for functional strength...dude I work in insurance. Maybe our daily lives are different, but I'm more than strong enough for my needs.
haha dude the only things I notice in my life that are easier since getting serious about working out is throwing the filled up shredit bags in the office on my shoulder when they need to be replaced.
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Old 09-14-2012, 07:09 PM   #66
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if my problem is the initial lift as well do you think doing romanian deads like I have been should help too. I think my problem is hamstring strength.



haha dude the only things I notice in my life that are easier since getting serious about working out is throwing the filled up shredit bags in the office on my shoulder when they need to be replaced.
I would think it's quad strength. We'll see what happens when I try to pull a max dead in three weeks. I havent dead lifted in almost three months during this squat program I'm doing.

I've always heard lack of pull off the floor is a quad issue, trouble with lockout is a hamstring issue.

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Forearms come to mind and grip strength as well, I know i can pull a hell of a lot more weight with an alternating grip... unless you guys are using straps eliminating that aspect
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:27 PM   #68
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Goofy grip + straps
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It's more easy to kill with a sword than with a gun.

A sword is more frightening than toy-looking gun like glock.

robbing with a sword is a good thing
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:40 PM   #69
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I would think it's quad strength. We'll see what happens when I try to pull a max dead in three weeks. I havent dead lifted in almost three months during this squat program I'm doing.

I've always heard lack of pull off the floor is a quad issue, trouble with lockout is a hamstring issue.

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Interesting. I ran across a site a whole back where you clicked your issue with a particular lift and it would tell you what to do but I can't remember what it was
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Good information. I can't wait until dead lift Monday. In other news, I will say that performing hang cleans have really improved my overall power clean form. I was really impressed with myself Thursday morning.

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Old 09-15-2012, 09:29 AM   #71
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Good information. I can't wait until dead lift Monday. In other news, I will say that performing hang cleans have really improved my overall power clean form. I was really impressed with myself Thursday morning.

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Yeah they definitely help with power cleans. Thats why a lot of olympic coaches start from the top and work their way down to teaching the full lift.

So much less to get wrong when you start from the hang.
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Forearms come to mind and grip strength as well, I know i can pull a hell of a lot more weight with an alternating grip... unless you guys are using straps eliminating that aspect
i alt grip and also switch hands in sets, i have a steel plate in my right wrist, total fusion so, some things i can't do too well

dumb bell press ,the end of the weight rests on my forearm cuz i cant tilt it , gets painful

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my wrists are just focked from baseball, no way around it.
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The worst part of being an athlete is the fact that we really mess up our bodies in the process. We get in excellent shape at the expense of our joints. The alternative option of sitting on our asses and doing nothing isn't any better. The irony pisses me off.

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The worst part of being an athlete is the fact that we really mess up our bodies in the process. We get in excellent shape at the expense of our joints. The alternative option of sitting on our asses and doing nothing isn't any better. The irony pisses me off.

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Exactly right, Steve.

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I don't see what is ridiculous by robbing with a sword.A sword in one od the most lethal wepon !!!

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I'm kinda pissed off. I didn't get as good of a workout today as I expected. My dead lift increased to 255 lbs. (4 x 5 reps), and I still had a lot in me. I wanted to achieve that woozy, exhausted feeling like I experienced the last few times, but sadly I didn't reach that point. It looks like I need to increase the weight again....

.....probably to at least 275 lbs. It's crazy how fast the weight is packing on. Just 3 weeks ago 225 lbs. felt pretty heavy for me (..the dead lift n00b ). Now 255 lbs. feels easy. Do you guys think that it's becoming easier so quickly due to my squat numbers?

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More than likely you are getting used to the movement and it's allowing you to do more weight quickly, your squat numbers play a factor in your strength no doubt, but anyone just starting any lift is going to see a rapid increase in numbers. It's a good feeling getting 315 off the ground when you get to that point, even better with 405! You'll be there soon enough!
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More than likely you are getting used to the movement and it's allowing you to do more weight quickly, your squat numbers play a factor in your strength no doubt, but anyone just starting any lift is going to see a rapid increase in numbers. It's a good feeling getting 315 off the ground when you get to that point, even better with 405! You'll be there soon enough!
Thanks for the encouragement. I think that I'll post videos once I start getting close to the 405 lb. mark.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I think that I'll post videos once I start getting close to the 405 lb. mark.

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nice man.

Maybe others can comment on this but I've been reading that some upper back rounding isn't as bad as we think when nearing our max effort sets. It's more of a lower back round that we have to worry about.

Anyone have any input?

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