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|09-27-2012, 02:15 PM||#9|
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More on-existent voter fraud
Literally typing this from the book
Voter ID laws were upheld by the SCOTUS already in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board in 2008. To make matters even more interesting, the majority opinion was written by Judge Stevens who wrote "It remains true...that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation's history by respected historians and journalists, that occasional examples have surfaced in recent years...that...demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
Interestingly enough, the SCOTUS found that 41.4% of the names on Indiana's voter registration rolls were bad entries representing tens of thousands of ineligible voters.
The DOJ estimated that 100,000 fraudulent votes were cast in the 1982 gubernatorial election. A federal grand jury found that this practice had been going on in prior elections as well. Votes were cast in the name of dead people, people in prison, or registered to vacant lots. Absent voters were impersonated and people would literally cold call voters to see if they voted or planned to vote, then go vote in their place.
Chris Matthews even supported this by saying this type of impersonation fraud "has gone on since the fifties. Someone calls to inquire whether you voted or going to vote, then all of a sudden somebody does come and vote for you. I know all about it in North Philly - its what went on and I believe it still goes on."
In 1984 a grand jury report sent out by Democrat Elizabeth Holtzman cited voter fraud for over 14 years in Brooklyn. This was picked up by the new york times, who headlined the story with "Boss Tweed is gone, but not his vote." The report noted cemetary voting, stuffing the ballot box, voting under fictitious names, the recruitment of people to cast multiple votes.
Once technique they would use is to register with a fake first name and a real last name known to be at a certain address. If John Smith lived at 1 Park Place, they would fill out a card for Mary Smith at the same address. They assume John Smith would just throw out any mail to Mary Smith and not return it to the election board, which is what usually happened.
This works because the USPS didn't return the falsely addressed cards, since they matched the last name or were at large apartment complexes so there wasn't a familiarity with the people like in a small neighborhood. The election board relied on the USPS to return false voter cards, so therein lies the scam.
One witness in the NY case testified that he would lead a crew of 8 individuals and take them from polling place to polling place to vote. Each member of his crew voted 20 times and there were about 20 other crews doing the same at the time.
In 2007 a group of people from a homeless shelter in Hoboken were caught being paid $10 each to go and vote under other people's names. They never even charged them or tried to find out who set them up to do that.
The DOJ won a suit in 2007 in Noxubee Mississippi against Ike Brown (convicted felon, democrat) who had an entire system set up to rig elections. His technique included failing to purge voter rolls. He was heard telling people to just go in and use any name to vote.
In 2004 NC and SC compared voter rolls to find that they had over 60,000 people registered in both states. 180 people were caught voting twice in the 2000 or 2002 elections. The election board caught several people trying to vote in more than one location. They admitted it is difficult to catch people double voting over state lines because they don't share information.
The daily news found that there were 46,000 people registered to vote in NY and FL. Between 400 and 1,000 people voted in both states in at least one election. Florida was won by 537 votes in 2000. One guy admitted to voting in NY and Florida because "That was a situation in Florida is so messed up with the Republicans, you don't know if your vote is even going to be counted." He was never prosecuted.
FOR THE RECORD
A 2006 U of Missouri study found that turnout in Indiana increased with the implementation of voter ID laws with no evidence that counties with high % of poor, minority, elderly suffered any reduction in turnout
A 2007 heritage foundation study found no reduction in turnout in any demographic group
A U of Delaware and U of Nebraska study looked at 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 elections and found that ID laws do not affect turnout, including across racial, gender, ethnic and economic lines. Their conclusion was "much ado about nothing."
The Center for Democracy and Election Management at American University found that a staggering small amount of voters do not already have ID. A 2008 survey across 50 states came up with 9 people out of 12,000. A 2006 survey had 26 out of 36,000.
Ok I'm done typing lol. I'm shocked that some of you still have your heads in the sand about this. Think about it, people are spending MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in elections. Do you really think they are just going to sit back and say "ok let's roll the dice" come voting time? That is dangerously naive.
Remember, Al Franken won by 312 votes. Obamacare was passed by 312 votes in an Senate election in Minnesota. An election where 1,099 felons illegally voted and 177 were convicted and 66 await trial.
“They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet.” - Saul Alinsky, quoting Lenin
“I wanted [Jimmy] Carter in and I wanted [Ford] out,” comedian Chevy Chase would later admit of his mocking Ford impersonation on "Saturday Night Live", “and I figured look, we're reaching millions of people every weekend, why not do it."
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