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Old 07-25-2012, 10:19 AM   #101
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Installed the Reinz vcg myself year ago and no leaks yet, but I'll take heed of your experience.

Confused regarding Siemans/VDO fuel pump. I thought this was the pump from BMW when car was new and the main one we all replace our old pumps with? Please clarify.
It depends when they changed the gaskets. They used to be fine. Our vender said their explanation was they changed rubber venders. I don't care to try them again. This fiasco with leaking gaskets was costly on many fronts
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:56 AM   #102
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They do not reimburse labor..... So yes FREE. No my techs are following SOP. Victor rienz has a high failure rate on the E46 gaskets. This has been noted by the whole BIMRS.org group we pressured our main vender to carry Goetz gaskets for this reason. But I am sure you know the whole history and are a much better mechanic than we are. Victor Rienz DID not make the original BMW valve cover gasket. As for the VDO pumps I stand behind the statement. Maybe they improved quality but its not worth the risk to me.

Same with Febi Bilstien there cam sensors are wonderfull POS's
Agree on the febi cam sensors. However, febi is not an oem for bmw. They r aftermarket.

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Old 07-25-2012, 12:11 PM   #103
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:44 PM   #104
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Mango recommends torque spec on VC bolts of 10 ft lb, Bentley says 18. That's a big difference. Which is right?
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:05 PM   #105
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Subject the 10 from the eighteen to get 8 ft-lbs of torque for the VC nuts.

Don't walk in the path of many before you who have broken off the head studs.

Tighten down the nuts until they bottom out and then just a slight bit more pressure to insure you have tension there.
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:56 AM   #106
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Mango recommends torque spec on VC bolts of 10 ft lb, Bentley says 18. That's a big difference. Which is right?
Bentley gives two torque settings. The higher one is for the s54 and the 8ft/lbs is for the m54 or m52tu

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Old 08-04-2012, 08:47 AM   #107
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Thanks for the clarification. I saw thie Bentley number earlier in this thread and since I don't have a Bentley manual I was concerned this was a typo since it was so off of what Mango said was max torque for these bolts.
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:12 AM   #108
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Thanks for the clarification. I saw thie Bentley number earlier in this thread and since I don't have a Bentley manual I was concerned this was a typo since it was so off of what Mango said was max torque for these bolts.
Np....the numbers in the bentley r very confusing and can be easily mistaken. I snapped my engine studs because of the incorrect torque setting.

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Old 09-10-2012, 10:28 AM   #109
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Hi Folks

Sorry to revive this thread after being idle for more than a month but I have a question regarding vcg replacement....

I've seen mention of both RTV red and RTV black being used in various threads on this topic. Both are sold by loctite and both look to be quite similar in terms of their temperature tolerances. Which is favored/recommended or does it not really matter between the two?

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Old 09-10-2012, 10:33 AM   #110
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:48 AM   #111
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Hi Folks

Sorry to revive this thread after being idle for more than a month but I have a question regarding vcg replacement....

I've seen mention of both RTV red and RTV black being used in various threads on this topic. Both are sold by loctite and both look to be quite similar in terms of their temperature tolerances. Which is favored/recommended or does it not really matter between the two?

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From experience, I like the black better. Used red with no problems either. Blue is not as flexible as those two, so don't use it. Black dries more rubbery than the red, that's why it's my #1 choice.

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Both red and black has these two properties. In fact, red is rated higher in temperature, but I still think the black is the better of the two.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:02 AM   #112
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When you say "black", which black do you mean? loctite or permatex ultra?

loctite black: -75 to 625 F (can't seem to find this on their website - is it discontinued?)
loctite red: -75 to 600 F
permatex ultra black: -65 to 500F



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Did this last weekend.. I used Permatex black and used on half moons and places where it was leaking. I made sure the contact surfaces were as clean as possible with no gasket residue or grime, used some brake cleaner to get off any oil & grease before applying gasket. My old gasket literally felt like brittle plastic, had no elasticity left just broke off wherever i touched.

Put everything together (tightened cover bolts hand-tight at first, then after 1 hour torqued it down) then waited 20 hours to cure before starting car.

I wiped everything around the cover so I'll know if it leaked anywhere, then drove a few days.
Checked for any leaks after each drive (wait for engine to cool then feel around), and none was found thank god.

Here's with cover off at 120k miles, looked clean made me happy.

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Old 09-10-2012, 11:37 AM   #114
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When you say "black", which black do you mean? loctite or permatex ultra?
Look back at post #111
Says in post both references are to Loctite
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:43 AM   #115
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I did mine three times, then realized my valve cover itself was cracked. Hairline... Hard to detect.
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extremely useful tip/reminder!
I'll check mine soon when I change the gasket.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:06 PM   #117
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I attribute this to the vcg I used, which seems to sit proud of vc just about 1-2 mm more than my old one did
I'm in the middle of replacing my VCG with a Victor Reinz gasket, and noticed the same thing.

Put the gasket into the valve cover and it doesn't fully seat into the groove in the cover. The gasket is about 13mm "tall" but the groove in the cover is about 10.5mm deep.

Trying to decide if I should move forward with this gasket, or order a genuine BMW...


edit, found another thread describing the same problem (unfortunately that OP never checked back in to say how he solved the problem. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=817444)

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Old 09-30-2012, 06:33 PM   #118
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Stop right now

there is yet a third thread out there that discusses this and many on that thread tell of VR gaskets that leak soon after installing them. Mine is leaking now at 16K miles.
I bought a genuine BMW from the dealer last week and it will go on soon.
Strongly advise you to do the same.


Also look back to post #93 on this thread.


BTW, BMW gasket from dealer says: "Made in Hungary" My dealer has price of $52 currently, and they usually don't price gouge.

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Old 09-30-2012, 06:37 PM   #119
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I'm in the middle of replacing my VCG with a Victor Reinz gasket, and noticed the same thing.

Put the gasket into the valve cover and it doesn't fully seat into the groove in the cover. The gasket is about 13mm "tall" but the groove in the cover is about 10.5mm deep.

Trying to decide if I should move forward with this gasket, or order a genuine BMW...


edit, found another thread describing the same problem (unfortunately that OP never checked back in to say how he solved the problem. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=817444)
No need. The compression and heat will make the gasket sit flush. U rather have extra play then for a gasket to have no play at all (too short).



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Old 09-30-2012, 06:48 PM   #120
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Well, there were reports of the VR above changing rubber supplier...something like that.

I put my OE on (who knows who made it?)...anyway, it doesn't leak now...but I did drive too soon after rtv...damn!

Anyway, the OE is a little more pliable, but honestly, if you use rtv in the entire half moons...on the vanos seam...tighten down in stages, in the pattern...you might stand a chance. VR had to have known and fixed this issue.

As far as the height of it, I'd been thinking about that and think that a big part of the seal comes not just at the bottom, but at the top of the gasket where it sits in vc itself...so make sure that groove is really cleaned out well.

IDK what to say, OP. If it's not too late, you're out $20 and about $40 for one from dealer. It's a 100K part or so...but it's not that tough of a job either...so six of one, half a dozen of another.

Don't overtighten screws. Down to the stop in stages and then stop.
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