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Old 09-28-2012, 09:21 AM   #101
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If you valet a lot it gets to be a PITA to keep readjusting things.

non-power seats have been standard on the M3s always I think. Power seats have been optional on all the models I have looked at...many go straight to the track with their M3's even brand new and never intend them to be daily drivers.
The E9X had power seats the first few years. It wasn't until 11.5 that manual became standard. Also, M3 drivers that track are a very small segment, just like the Ducati owners who track. Hell, the percentage of people who track is small in general. Your average M3 driver remains in the asphalt kingdom. Nonetheless, it just sounds strange to me when valet parking is cited as a reason for not liking manual seats.


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Old 09-29-2012, 01:52 PM   #103
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:13 PM   #104
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This is an interesting video telling you how the FRS/BRZ engine works and its design:

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Old 10-02-2012, 02:19 AM   #105
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The following are MSRP's of base models.

Ford Mustang V6: $22,200
Honda Civic Si: $22,355
Mazda MX-5: $23,470
Volkwagen Golf GTI: $23,995
Scion FR-S: $24,995
Subaru BRZ: $25,495

Let's take the Mustang V6 and compare it against the BRZ. Can you imagine what you could drop on that Mustang with $3,300? Upgrade the suspension and you'll have a car that's going to piss off the BRZ through the turns (may not actually hang with it) and absolutely roast it in the straights.
2013 Hyundai Genesis coupe 2.0T R-Spec: $26,500
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec : $28,750

2.0T:
Torque: 275 ft-lbs. @ 2000 rpm
Horsepower: 274 hp @ 6000 rp

3.8
Torque: 295 ft-lbs. @ 5300 rpm
Horsepower: 348 hp @ 6400 rpm

IMO for about 1k more you're getting hell of a lot more car as far as pure motor specs.

I've driven the 2.0T as well as the 3.8. 2.0T gave a nice feel to have a turbo with RWD.

Gen coupe and FRS/BRZ look very similar to me
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:03 AM   #106
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2013 Hyundai Genesis coupe 2.0T R-Spec: $26,500
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec : $28,750

2.0T:
Torque: 275 ft-lbs. @ 2000 rpm
Horsepower: 274 hp @ 6000 rp

3.8
Torque: 295 ft-lbs. @ 5300 rpm
Horsepower: 348 hp @ 6400 rpm

IMO for about 1k more you're getting hell of a lot more car as far as pure motor specs.

I've driven the 2.0T as well as the 3.8. 2.0T gave a nice feel to have a turbo with RWD.

Gen coupe and FRS/BRZ look very similar to me
You will pay less for the Hyundai for sure. The Scion.....You pay what is on the sticker.....which makes it a bad, underpowered decision in my book
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You will pay less for the Hyundai for sure. The Scion.....You pay what is on the sticker.....which makes it a bad, underpowered decision in my book
Has Hyundai improved their build quality ? Just really scarred from my history of having a Korean car - maybe they are worth another shot - its been 8 years since I stepped inside one
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2013 Hyundai Genesis coupe 2.0T R-Spec: $26,500
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec : $28,750

2.0T:
Torque: 275 ft-lbs. @ 2000 rpm
Horsepower: 274 hp @ 6000 rp

3.8
Torque: 295 ft-lbs. @ 5300 rpm
Horsepower: 348 hp @ 6400 rpm

IMO for about 1k more you're getting hell of a lot more car as far as pure motor specs.

I've driven the 2.0T as well as the 3.8. 2.0T gave a nice feel to have a turbo with RWD.

Gen coupe and FRS/BRZ look very similar to me
The cars might look similar, but that's about where it ends. I've driven the outgoing Genesis Coupe 2.0T and... well... it was sluggish. I guess I jumped into the car with higher expectations, but still...

I honestly don't see the newer models being THAT much better. Going off of this YouTube video I found, 0 to 60 seems to be in the mid-six second range. I'd expect a little bit better out of almost 300 HP.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a well-launched, hard-shifted BRZ somewhere in the mid- to high-six second range?

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This is where I'll step forward and say I think I'd rather have the BRZ/FR-S over the Genesis Coupe anyday. I didn't get that "wow" factor in the Genesis Coupe. Not in the straights and not in the twisties. Granted, I haven't had the opportunity to spend any time behind the wheel of the BRZ/FR-S yet, but I'm anxious to try it out.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:38 AM   #109
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I haven't driven many Hyundais, but I did have a 2007 Sonata for a week once (rental). It looked very nice from the outside. Until you got inside and noticed how cheap the interior was.

This passing Friday, I test drove a 2013 Elantra GT hatch. The improvement is UNREAL compared to that 07 Sonata I had. The interior feels great in the GT, as does the drive. I was blown away by how good it felt. I bought one the next day (picking it up today). It seems like both Hyundai and Ford have made great strides in the quality department in the last 5 years. You may want to test drive a new one if you're in the market.
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The cars might look similar, but that's about where it ends. I've driven the outgoing Genesis Coupe 2.0T and... well... it was sluggish. I guess I jumped into the car with higher expectations, but still...

I honestly don't see the newer models being THAT much better. Going off of this YouTube video I found, 0 to 60 seems to be in the mid-six second range. I'd expect a little bit better out of almost 300 HP.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a well-launched, hard-shifted BRZ somewhere in the mid- to high-six second range?
2013 Subaru BRZ 6MT
Engine: Flat-4, 2.0 liters, 16v
Output: 200 hp/151 lb-ft
0-60 MPH: 6.5 sec (est)
Weight: 2762 lb
Fuel Economy, City/Hwy: 22/30 mpg
Base Price: $25,495

2013 Hyundai Genesis 2.0T R-Spec
Engine: Turbocharged inline-4, 2.0 liters, 16v
Output: 274 hp/275 lb-ft
0-60 MPH: 5.8 sec (est)
Weight: 3362 lb
Fuel Economy, City/Hwy: 21/30 mpg
Base Price: $26,500

I understand that car's a more then just 0-60 times. If your into turbo's I believe the gen coupe provides a pretty powerful "entry level (under 30k)" car. If one prefers a high revving N/A BRZ/FRS might be for you.


BRZ about 600 pounds lighter. Gen coupe has a very long wheel base and is considered a "longer" coupe.

SPDSKTER, I wasn't coming at you when I quoted you. You just happened to give all of the comparable MSRP's so I added another option
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SPDSKTER, I wasn't coming at you when I quoted you. You just happened to give all of the comparable MSRP's so I added another option
I know. There's no doubt there is some great potential for the Genesis Coupe, but they just never tickled my fancy. I'd rather opt for a used 370Z.

Before long, I will be looking for a new car. I've considered a Porsche Cayman S, E92 335i, 370Z, and an E46 ///M3 (assuming I can find a decent one). I'd like to stick with BMW, but... ugh... the maintenance on E90's is friggin' stupid.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:19 AM   #114
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Toyota will get -Turbo scion/brz/frs

Bmw will get - 1 series entry car, cheap and reliable but with bmw styling

tell me im wrong this is what they are going for. **** hybrid thats a great guess but I dont think so. Hybrid luxury cars are just status symbols for high level cars. Bmw's hybrid sales go look him up its a good laugh. No one buys a 760Li Hybrid for the efficiency.
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I smoked them pretty hard, I thought these things were fast?
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I smoked them pretty hard, I thought these things were fast?
You're pretty stupid to believe 200 hp is going to be fast.
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I never really looked into them, I thought they were some kind of baby STi coupe
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What the hell is happening during this launch, it seems like the car is about to explode

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