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Old 10-03-2012, 11:42 PM   #81
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it's a BMW OEM lifetime clutch.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:36 AM   #82
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it's a BMW OEM lifetime clutch.

What are you talking about?
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:39 AM   #83
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:26 AM   #84
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I am at 165,000 miles and my clutch seems fine.

somethings I do notice that are odd are that sometimes it won't go into gear from a stop, so i have to release the clutch and re-engage the clutch and all is well.

Also there are sometimes when it seems like there is something sticking in my shifter because it seems like when I try and make the stretch to 5th gear, there is something stopping me and I have to strongarm it over there... not always but sometimes... it goes into gear fine, it's just trying to get over to the far right is the challenge... on occasion. What could that be?
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:30 AM   #85
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:44 AM   #86
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Is replacing the clutch preventative maintence?
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:52 AM   #87
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I had a factory original clutch in an E36 exceed 200,000 miles.
Me too. Im at 216,000 miles on my E36 and have no indication of it going out anytime soon
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:00 AM   #88
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Is replacing the clutch preventative maintence?
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:05 PM   #89
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Is replacing the clutch preventative maintence?
It'd be a waste of money to do it preventatively. Just wait 'til it starts slipping a bit. Once it does, it's time to change it.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:19 PM   #90
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the only part of that that you might consider preventative... or at least preparitive... start setting money aside because if it goes out unexpectedly, and you haven't the funds... well... then you have a bigger problem
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:29 PM   #91
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110K on mine and no issues. If you ride the clutch your bearing/disc won't last as long as it ought to. I had 250K on my E36 no issues. Treat it with respect and it return the favour.
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:31 AM   #92
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It'd be a waste of money to do it preventatively. Just wait 'til it starts slipping a bit. Once it does, it's time to change it.
Or, if you have other issues going on with, say, the tranny, and you notice that the disk is looking awfully thin. Might not be slipping, but you're already in there...
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:39 AM   #93
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do you guys know if flywheel needs to be changed at same time? I know flywheel can not be resurfaced has any one tried resufacing it?
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:00 PM   #94
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How long a clutch lasts depends entirely on how well you manage a manual transmission. I had a clutch go beyond 200,000 miles in my first E36, and I'm at 150,000 on my second E36.

Whether or not the flywheel needs to be changed also depends on your management style. I did not need to replace the flywheel at 200,000 miles. I gotta back off on that, I do not recall that I had to replace the flywheel, and I paid a shop to do the work (which I almost never pay for work to be done because I do it myself). I do remember that the parts and labor was about $875 for the work that was done.

If the transmission is down for any reason, it makes sense to do a pre-emptive strike and replace the clutch, but clutch work is not on the preventative maintenance schedule -- there is no guideline that says, do this at a certain number of miles or years.

JPButler is describing a problem that I believe is associated with the clutch master cylinder. He cannot select the gear he wants unless he releases the pedal and applies it again. This is the Clutch Version of a failed master cylinder. When the Brake Master Cylinder starts to fail, the symptom is that your foot sinks slowly to the floor as you wait at at traffic light or other location where long periods of holding the brake pedal is necessary, you recover from this by pumping the brake pedal a couple of times before you eventually replace the brake master cylinder. When the clutch master fails, the result is that gear selection can be a struggle, and you recover by working the clutch pedal a time or two until you replace the clutch master cylinder.

What happens in both cases is that there is fluid that is moved by a piston that is connected to the pedal. There are o-rings that keep the fluid in the channels that it is supposed to be in, and these o-rings seep and allow the fluid to move around the piston and this makes the pressure applied on the system go away, the system does not work and you have to pump the pedal to bring the pressure up again. This is called, a leaky master cylinder. Although there is no external leak where fluid will be seen on the outside. The leak is entirely internal.

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Old 10-05-2012, 12:02 PM   #95
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116k for my OE ZHP clutch, which also saw track time before it became my daily driver. Replaced it with an OE clutch and flywheel. Also deleted the CDV. CDV delete will take me another 130-150k with my driving style.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:08 PM   #96
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It's all about how you drive it... My 2 PO's were both women, so I'm guessing they took it easy on her. 128k, clutch is perfect, removed CDV... Although I can't chirp 2nd, but that's a VANOS issue I believe. :\ Plus, I don't think these cars were meant to do that, they are meant to be eased into gear and then gas it- It's not a honda...
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:00 PM   #97
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Im at 113k on my 2001 330ci and no problems at all! Just depends on how you drive it and if you do more city or highway driving. I do more highway so i dont always have to engage my clutch as often. So far im good
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:24 AM   #98
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Im at 152,000 miles and I thought my clutch was fine. I had the common chatter while in neutral but that was for a couple years. then all the sudden almost overnight, it went to sh!t. Clutch pedal started vibrating, chatter when I get out of first and reversing, it doesn't engage until I almost let off the clutch pedal.

So I guess it's time to replace it with the flywheel and slave cylinder, might at well do it all together while im in there
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:39 AM   #99
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What experience do any of you guy have with the CDV delete? Are there any cons to removing it, since it is an OEM part and the germans making the car must of had a reason to put it on in the first place?

Does a CDV delete help?
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:07 PM   #100
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What experience do any of you guy have with the CDV delete? Are there any cons to removing it, since it is an OEM part and the germans making the car must of had a reason to put it on in the first place?

Does a CDV delete help?
Easy as taking a whiz. Having said that I would like to know what the hell induced them to interfere with the coordination between a man and his foot. A rhythm that is as old as time itself. Bloody ridiculous thing to do. I reckon they did it because they know the clutch diaphragms are crap so they put this piece of sh*t in the hydraulics to increase the life expectancy.

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