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Old 11-04-2012, 10:33 PM   #81
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:35 PM   #82
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If you're only putting 2k into the suspension then you're doing it wrong. Also, Lotus cars have open differentials, so you'll have lots of fun with that.

If the corvette is too tail happy then you're driving it wrong.

I don't consider the 370z to be a [very good] drivers car.



You must have never driven an exotic.
I was referring to the zo6/zr1


And yes I have driven an exotic, many in fact. My friend owns a dealership that sells them and many of my friends own them.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:37 PM   #83
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It's still going wide open in 2nd gear around some cones in front of a Walmart to me...not significant. You don't see BMW testing their new or project cars in a parking lot with cones. If they had that in mind your z4m would have come with unbearably stiff suspension and a gearbox with only reverse, 1st and 2nd gear.



Last I checked the vette has 50/50 weight distribution, and of course driver is a major factor, your car is easy to drive compared to a vette because it has as much torque as a sport bike in comparison to the vette. More power =/= more skill to utilize its potential.
Have you visited BMW in Spartansburg?

The Z4M has stiff suspension for stock...progessive springs going 250 ftlbs in the front and 450 ftlbs in the rear...fairly stiff.

Having a car where you literally sit on the rear wheels is different to drive than a vette. It can tank slap, but yes it is very predictable

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Old 11-04-2012, 11:33 PM   #84
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Have you visited BMW in Spartansburg?

The Z4M has stiff suspension for stock...progessive springs going 250 ftlbs in the front and 450 ftlbs in the rear...fairly stiff.

Having a car where you literally sit on the rear wheels is different to drive than a vette. It can tank slap, but yes it is very predictable

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The Z4 coupe is on my short list. I'll definitely drive one before I make my next purchase.
Do it...you'll be hard pressed to want to keep either of your current cars.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:43 PM   #87
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FWIW I didn't fall in love with the M Coupe I drove. I thought it was too good. I like cars that screw up occasionally.

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Coming from someone who owns an Elise and considering your "needs" it's not the car for you. Other than curb appeal, it will not impress your friends.

It's slow, the cabin is loud, rattles every where, roof leaks soft/hard (even warns you in the manual) no interior, no A/C (it's there for looks) radio is complete ****, the car is anything but classy. It's a no BS drivers car.

All that being said, I love the hell out of it.
Actually, my AC works pretty well.
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Did you do the SirLotus mods or are you one of the lucky ones?
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actually my top consideration.
Slow as hell on the street, uncomfortable, look like a jackass getting in/out of it, and worst of all, king of the posers. It is a dedicated track car. Having one on the street is pretty dumb.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:23 PM   #91
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If you want a true go cart feel on the street the only cars are a miata, an s2000, and a boxter. The s2000 is the best to drive due to the transmission. 400whp are commonplace these days with bulletproof reliability and excellent resale. Go drive one. A boosted s2000 is quite an upgrade from a z3. One of our local guys owns both and tells us that even with 10k in suspension work, it's not even close. A 400-500whp s2k would put a bigger grin on your face then any car mentioned here, and it's nice to know that you won't be in the shop every 3 days.
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If you want a true go cart feel on the street the only cars are a miata, an s2000, and a boxter. The s2000 is the best to drive due to the transmission. 400whp are commonplace these days with bulletproof reliability and excellent resale. Go drive one. A boosted s2000 is quite an upgrade from a z3. One of our local guys owns both and tells us that even with 10k in suspension work, it's not even close. A 400-500whp s2k would put a bigger grin on your face then any car mentioned here, and it's nice to know that you won't be in the shop every 3 days.
I had an S2000 (remember seeing your username on S2Ki) and to this day it is still one of my favorite cars that I have owned. I still refer this car to anyone I meet who might be interested in buying an Elise or any sports car for that matter. However, I don't think it is as fun as the Elise, but at least it doesn't give up any creature comforts to do be as awesome as it is. I do have to disagree that it is "King of all Poser cars and doesn't belong on the street" though. Just because it excells on the track doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to enjoy on the street.
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Friend of mine has a supercharged Elise. It is probably the worst car I have ever driven on the street. It is loud as all hell engine noise, tire roar, potholes seem like craters, bumps feel like offroading in Moab, etc. Again, an incredible machine but on the street it sucks in every single way. I'd look at an Evora but I don't think that's in the budget and having driven one, it lacks the go cart feel (as does the s2000s big brother, the NSX .)
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Did you do the SirLotus mods or are you one of the lucky ones?
I guess I am one of the lucky ones. But, unfortunately I might have the messed up steering rack since I can feel some clunk/feedback on bumps. I haven't got around to checking all the bolts in the suspension. I've lived with it for the past 7 yrs anyways.
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If you like your car, keep it. No reason to run out and buy a car just because someone else (guessing your friends) doesn't like it or thinks that it doesn't have as much "status" as their car that they are probably paying for every month.

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Friend of mine has a supercharged Elise. It is probably the worst car I have ever driven on the street. It is loud as all hell engine noise, tire roar, potholes seem like craters, bumps feel like offroading in Moab, etc. Again, an incredible machine but on the street it sucks in every single way. I'd look at an Evora but I don't think that's in the budget and having driven one, it lacks the go cart feel (as does the s2000s big brother, the NSX .)
Haha, I definately understand what you are saying, I said it earlier in the thread as well, but then again that's what I love about it. There is a thread currently on Lotustalk in the Elise section titled "Is the Elise really that loud?" and everyone says the same thing.

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As from the steering clunk, that's another common issue. But seeing as you have had the car for 7 years, you probably know alot more than I do.
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If you want a true go cart feel on the street the only cars are a miata, an s2000, and a boxter. The s2000 is the best to drive due to the transmission. 400whp are commonplace these days with bulletproof reliability and excellent resale. Go drive one. A boosted s2000 is quite an upgrade from a z3. One of our local guys owns both and tells us that even with 10k in suspension work, it's not even close. A 400-500whp s2k would put a bigger grin on your face then any car mentioned here, and it's nice to know that you won't be in the shop every 3 days.
Maybe second gen. I didn't find the first generation Boxster appealing at all.

Also, having owned both, the AP1 is the more involving car. No TC, slightly stiffer suspension, and an extra 1000rpm.

Late AP2s had stability control, more torque, and a slightly softer suspension.

The AP2s do look better, although that's mostly about the wheels.
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The AP2s do look better, although that's mostly about the wheels.
and the bumpers and the headlights and the seats.

People pay big money for AP2 headlights and bumpers...
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and the bumpers and the headlights and the seats.

People pay big money for AP2 headlights and bumpers...
I said mostly the wheels. The bumpers are nice, but you really need the exhaust to go with the rear muffler and I don't think it's worth it.

I think the AP2 lights make the car look a bit more masculine too, but the headlights don't perform quite as well.

And I wouldn't trade that 1k rpm for any of it.
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