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Old 11-05-2012, 10:59 AM   #41
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Design small flange that goes around the perimeter of the vents on the underside of the hood, you may want this anyway just for rigidity. Design a black ABS plastic cover with 3 or 4 barbed tabs that latch onto this flange hold it in place; you could send the design off to an injection molder and probably get them for like $20 each. Use some adhesive backed foam strip on the cover to seal out water and prevent marring or rattling.

add huge HPF markup and BAM! $300 seal able vent option that people would buy just to keep pollen and little drops of water off the top of their engine.
Less than 200usd please. The hood will be expensive enough. If the cover is designed to be fast and easy to put on, then I imagine more than 50% of hood buyers would also buy a removable cover(s).

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People need to ask why Vorsteiner stopped making the GTR hood.

My guess is that the demographic of M3 owners has changed, and that "current" M3 owners don't see value in a $2000 hood. A person that can afford to buy a $55k car is going to have a different disposable income versus a person that can afford to buy a $25k car.

My personal view on this is that HPF needs to decide what THEY want out of designing and selling their own hood. Do they want to make a market statement with a functional design? Do they want to adapt to general market consensus to sell volume?

If I was managing this project, I would probably bring in a big name aero guy like Andrew Brilliant to do both. Chris...he's worth calling.
You bring up VERY interesting points. I hear you.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:06 PM   #42
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I'm leaning towards doing a BMW GTR style hood with an Asuka style center. The shutters will cost quite a bit more to include which would raise the proce considerably so I may not do those.

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How much would a shutter option add to the cost of the hood?
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:07 PM   #43
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Meeting up with Advanced Composite Systems yesterday, we had a pleasure to watch the master Art Director Kris draw the version of the hood we wanted from scratch. All he needed was a description, a pencil, and a blank sheet of paper.

This might not be the final version as well. The hood will be tweaked here and there... but just know, this was how it all started.

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Old 11-05-2012, 04:32 PM   #44
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I wanna hate it, that was good. I enjoyed the older gentlemen giving his POV. Good sh!t.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:35 PM   #45
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How much would a shutter option add to the cost of the hood?
I will look into the costs of having the hood made so that covers can be attached to the underside (that we can provide). This way the hood can be ordered without them for those that want to save some money. The video shows the hood with the standard Asuka style center section that most people equate with the orange HPF M3. I asked Kris to mock up the Asuka center on the Vorsteiner GTR hood we have on the drag car and i have to admit it looks damn hot.

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Old 11-05-2012, 06:05 PM   #46
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:20 PM   #48
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I'm leaning towards doing a BMW GTR style hood with an Asuka style center. The shutters will cost quite a bit more to include which would raise the proce considerably so I may not do those.

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I'm liking this idea.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:40 AM   #49
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I will look into the costs of having the hood made so that covers can be attached to the underside (that we can provide). This way the hood can be ordered without them for those that want to save some money. The video shows the hood with the standard Asuka style center section that most people equate with the orange HPF M3. I asked Kris to mock up the Asuka center on the Vorsteiner GTR hood we have on the drag car and i have to admit it looks damn hot.

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Why not just have him design your own hood. Instead of basically stealing other peoples ideas reworking them a bit and calling it your own. You've got somebody that can design and make a real "HPF" hood. Have him design a hood from scratch.

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Old 11-06-2012, 07:57 AM   #50
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Why not just have him design your own hood. Instead of basically stealing other peoples ideas reworking them a bit and calling it your own. You've got somebody that can design and make a real "HPF" hood. Have him design a hood from scratch.

Being serious.
Only so much you can do to a hood without making it lame. I think all hoods are lame other then stock. Thats just me. Gtr hood is lame from vorsteiner not to mention its flimsy and dont line up at all. Only thing id buy is a hood that has a vent right above hpf intake. Maybe ill cut a hole in my factory hood haha

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:26 AM   #51
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No, I get that. I would have kept the stock hood if I was not widebody. I understand there's really only so much that can be done. But why make "your" hood not really your hood. It's kinda like saying hey you stay there and design and make a hood. Then to only have a another company take part of your design put it in there "own" hood. Granted I'm am by No means saying Chris is trying to steal from anybody. Just would like to know why not make your own hood from scratch when you have designer right there.


:Edit: Would be nice to see something actually new.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:46 AM   #52
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Lol Mav i get what your saying But Chris already tried with his own designs and potential customers said its not for BMWs which I agree and those same potential customers said a redesigned GTR style hood would be best with all the kinks works out that most the vorsteiner hoods have, mines pretty much flawless but the Clear coat where my vents started to fade and also my CSL vorsteiner trunk started to fade...
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:52 AM   #53
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Ok. Thumbsup

:Edit: Yeah I've heard a lot of people complain about vorstiener products not being the best quality.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:23 PM   #54
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Ok. Thumbsup

:Edit: Yeah I've heard a lot of people complain about vorstiener products not being the best quality.

I have taken to have any CF product sanded and clear coated (UV) by MY paint and body guy. I know its done correctly then. It doesn't cost that much. I tell him to wait until he is clear coating another project and spray my pieces then. Much cheaper. I dont pay for any set up labor. I hardly get charged much at all really for a bunch of smaller pieces.

My Vorstiener License plate frame got trashed(dull, soft, punky..it was terrible!) by the sun in mere months before I started clear coating ALL my CF pieces.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:06 PM   #55
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Only so much you can do to a hood without making it lame. I think all hoods are lame other then stock. Thats just me. Gtr hood is lame from vorsteiner not to mention its flimsy and dont line up at all. Only thing id buy is a hood that has a vent right above hpf intake. Maybe ill cut a hole in my factory hood haha

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I think it would be cool to have a hood designed with a discrete ram air duct positioned just over each headlamp.

Imagine a 1/2" to 1" gap between the top inside edge of the headlamp and the top inside edge of the hood that covers the lamp on each side of the grill. This opening would be triangular in shape where the most acute angle would be formed by the intersection between the top outside edge of the headlamp and the top outside edge of the hood.

The lines of the hood over the lamp will have that aggressive "over-hang" look. The air would flow over the headlamp, into this triangular opening (the "overhang") and pass through the air passage ducting directly to the air filter.

Of course the central portion of the hood would need to be reshaped keep the same relative proportions of the OEM hood and help make such a design work.

The ducting could be held in place by the same snap ins and tabs that another member suggested be used to hold the shutters in place. People without the turbo kit could flip the ducting over so that air could feed an after market airbox on the drivers side (another option for the NA guys).

I hope my description was clear enough.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:03 PM   #56
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I think it would be cool to have a hood designed with a discrete ram air duct positioned just over each headlamp.

Imagine a 1/2" to 1" gap between the top inside edge of the headlamp and the top inside edge of the hood that covers the lamp on each side of the grill. This opening would be triangular in shape where the most acute angle would be formed by the intersection between the top outside edge of the headlamp and the top outside edge of the hood.

The lines of the hood over the lamp will have that aggressive "over-hang" look. The air would flow over the headlamp, into this triangular opening (the "overhang") and pass through the air passage ducting directly to the air filter.

Of course the central portion of the hood would need to be reshaped keep the same relative proportions of the OEM hood and help make such a design work.

The ducting could be held in place by the same snap ins and tabs that another member suggested be used to hold the shutters in place. People without the turbo kit could flip the ducting over so that air could feed an after market airbox on the drivers side (another option for the NA guys).

I hope my description was clear enough.
I like your ideas. I'm not sure how much work that will be but i'd like them to draw it out to see what that might look like.

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Old 11-09-2012, 04:44 AM   #57
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:30 PM   #59
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I think it would be cool to have a hood designed with a discrete ram air duct positioned just over each headlamp.

Imagine a 1/2" to 1" gap between the top inside edge of the headlamp and the top inside edge of the hood that covers the lamp on each side of the grill. This opening would be triangular in shape where the most acute angle would be formed by the intersection between the top outside edge of the headlamp and the top outside edge of the hood.

The lines of the hood over the lamp will have that aggressive "over-hang" look. The air would flow over the headlamp, into this triangular opening (the "overhang") and pass through the air passage ducting directly to the air filter.

Of course the central portion of the hood would need to be reshaped keep the same relative proportions of the OEM hood and help make such a design work.

The ducting could be held in place by the same snap ins and tabs that another member suggested be used to hold the shutters in place. People without the turbo kit could flip the ducting over so that air could feed an after market airbox on the drivers side (another option for the NA guys).

I hope my description was clear enough.
Letting air under the hood at the front edge would cause a lot of buffeting and shaking at speed. For this reason BMW uses rubber seals to seal off air from entering hear. Also, you would have to make that air do a sharp 90 degree turn, and then a full 180 degree turn because air travels upwards through the airbox so air needs to enter from below. You're probably going to lose all possible benefits right there.

Also, you aren't going to be able to force air into the airbox from a vent in the hood by reversing the ducts. Just the air traveling over the opening will want to extract some air, and if the vents are in the front third of the hood, just the shape of the car will extract air from the vents. I wouldn't be surprised if the E92 M3 has the hole into the airbox in the hood just for letting out intake sound.
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Creating the perfect hood can be very time consuming. We are striving to create a design that would appeal to the masses. We do listen to your feedback, comment, and input. We are creating this hood for YOU.

So version 2 of our hood design took some of those inputs. Let us know what you think. What would you want to see? What would you change? Give us your input and we'll listen. We are definitely eager to have this rolling in production.

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