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Old 11-12-2012, 02:19 PM   #41
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I've never tried their coffee. Next time I go, I'll be sure to buy some beans and see how they are.

To be honest, I don't have very high expectations, but maybe it's better that way. I may very well be surprised.
Have you ever had their brewed coffee? It is the best I've ever had. I've had some terrific coffee when I went to Europe and Costa Rica when I was younger too. The Whole Foods brew is delicious. For some reason when I buy the beans I can't replicate the taste though.

This means nothing to me, but I hear they use "forced air or fluid bed" roasters. Is that good?

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Wes I have a question and you seem like someone who'd know. I've been searching for a variable displacement container for holding beans at room temp. Ideally a glass cylinder with a plunger and seal, so that every time you closed it there'd be as little air as possible. Tried vacuum bags and they just don't cut it.

Everywhere I've looked, brick and cyber, I find nothing! Can you think of anywhere else to try?
Do you mean something like this?

http://www.amazon.com/Friis-16-Ounce...s=coffee+vault
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:24 PM   #42
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Once you open the bag air gets in. That will stale the beans.

I have a container that actually forces the air out for storage.

Typically once u open it u should use it within two weeks.

Again this is more for coffee snobs and maybe u don't care nor taste the difference.

I also don't add sugar or flavored creamers to coffee as that would defeat the purpose of a good roast of beans.

Also check the date when it's roasted.

The good shops will have roasts within a week or two of your purchase
Yeah, but I was replying to the blanket statement that roasted beans go bad after a week. I don't believe there's a difference between beans that have been roasted and stored in an oxygen free environment and freshly roasted beans. I'm looking for someone to explain how that would be possible.

And for the record - I am a coffee enthusiast. We have 5 different coffee makers at home that get used regularly (and 2 others that get used a few times a year) and we roast our own beans from time to time. Freshly roasted coffee is great - but I think that's entirely because of the great smell of roasting coffee that puts you in a coffee enjoying mood.
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I love coffee. Now I drink espresso (lavazza most of the time).

When I ground my coffee I used either DD or Colombian Supremo...grind for 15 secs and used a french press. Don't boil the water...should be below boiling temp...let it steep for a few minutes and then press.

I'd only get a pound at a time and store in an airtight container...but not a vacuum container...I know that makes me a bad person!
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That looks close. But even though it's sealed and one-way vented, once you use up 3/4 of the beans, the remaining amount gets sealed in with lots of air. I'm talking about a container that shrinks in size as you take out the coffee.
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Wes I have a question and you seem like someone who'd know. I've been searching for a variable displacement container for holding beans at room temp. Ideally a glass cylinder with a plunger and seal, so that every time you closed it there'd be as little air as possible. Tried vacuum bags and they just don't cut it.

Everywhere I've looked, brick and cyber, I find nothing! Can you think of anywhere else to try?
I'm not sure. Any air-tight container will be ok. The most important thing is for you to use the beans as quickly as possible. Like I said, 1-2 weeks is acceptable.

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Exactly how do those bulk roasted beans go bad after a week? The stuff you buy at Costco is bulk roasted and then sealed in oxygen free packaging. They displace all the oxygen with nitrogen - and without oxygen, exactly how are they going to go bad? It's not like bacteria is a factor.

Fun fact for the day - did you know that many of the apples you see at the supermarket were picked well over a year ago? They seal them up in an oxygen free environment and they keep just fine for up to 2 years or so.
It's not so much the fact that the beans are bulk roasted, but who is doing the roasting. All the big companies do not pay close attention to their roasting methods. They are more concerned with the production process and maximizing their output. Why? Because most people do not know the difference between fresh, properly roasted coffee and mass-produced crap.

Sealing coffee will no doubt keep it fresh longer than leaving it out in the open, but if you go through coffee quickly, there is no point in doing this.

Read the link that I posed for ZHP. It's interesting (http://www.coffeeam.com/coffee-storage.html). Coffee beans release CO2. They should rest before sealing them, but again, if you go through coffee quickly like I do, there is no point. I suppose if you pay attention to how you seal the coffee, you can keep it fresh for a while, but none of the big companies do this. That is why I like small, independent roasters. They pay very close attention to the roasting process and make sure that everything is as good as it can possibly be.

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Have you ever had their brewed coffee? It is the best I've ever had. I've had some terrific coffee when I went to Europe and Costa Rica when I was younger too. The Whole Foods brew is delicious. For some reason when I buy the beans I can't replicate the taste though.

This means nothing to me, but I hear they use "forced air or fluid bed" roasters. Is that good?
I haven't. I've tried their iced coffee and it wasn't good, but I assume that it had been sitting for hours. Any good coffee shop will brew each cup of coffee individually, not make some huge batch and have it sit there.



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FWIW, I do think cheap coffee has its place.

I use TJ French Roast for Vietnamese-style coffee

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Yeah, but I was replying to the blanket statement that roasted beans go bad after a week. I don't believe there's a difference between beans that have been roasted and stored in an oxygen free environment and freshly roasted beans. I'm looking for someone to explain how that would be possible.

And for the record - I am a coffee enthusiast. We have 5 different coffee makers at home that get used regularly (and 2 others that get used a few times a year) and we roast our own beans from time to time. Freshly roasted coffee is great - but I think that's entirely because of the great smell of roasting coffee that puts you in a coffee enjoying mood.
You, sir, are a savvy consumer, that can separate facts from myth.
Explaining how contact with oxigen can degrade coffee is easy. The myth part is that one can consistently tell which one is the degraded coffee in a blind taste off.
Give this man a cookie.
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You, sir, are a savvy consumer, that can separate facts from myth.
Explaining how contact with oxigen can degrade coffee is easy. The myth part is that one can consistently tell which one is the degraded coffee in a blind taste off.
Give this man a cookie.
I'll admit if you serve me a random cup off coffee I won't be able to tell you if its fresh or not (within reasonable limits. If you leave that ****er out for 4 years - yeah ill know). The big deal is when you have one roast that you consistently use eg. my usual crap is the Starbucks pike roast. I drink enough of it that I can tell when it's been sitting for a few weeks. I go through coffee frequently enough not to need a fancy airtight storage container. Usually we just keep it in the bag and grind what we need before serving.. However we had a bag that sat for two months while we went on vacation (and then came back with a couple lbs of local beans). We made one pot of the usual, and tossed the rest.
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Yeah, but I was replying to the blanket statement that roasted beans go bad after a week. I don't believe there's a difference between beans that have been roasted and stored in an oxygen free environment and freshly roasted beans. I'm looking for someone to explain how that would be possible.

And for the record - I am a coffee enthusiast. We have 5 different coffee makers at home that get used regularly (and 2 others that get used a few times a year) and we roast our own beans from time to time. Freshly roasted coffee is great - but I think that's entirely because of the great smell of roasting coffee that puts you in a coffee enjoying mood.
interesting - is that difficult to do? roast?
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The myth part is that one can consistently tell which one is the degraded coffee in a blind taste off.
I'd be willing to accept that challenge. I've been enjoying coffee long enough that I can differentiate between freshly roasted coffee and something that is old.

There have been a few cases where I've left my coffee for a few weeks (when I go out of town, for example) and when I brewed it, I could immediately tell that the coffee lost a lot of its flavor.
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I'd be willing to accept that challenge. I've been enjoying coffee long enough that I can differentiate between freshly roasted coffee and something that is old.

There have been a few cases where I've left my coffee for a few weeks (when I go out of town, for example) and when I brewed it, I could immediately tell that the coffee lost a lot of its flavor.
ever heard of placebo effect?
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interesting - is that difficult to do? roast?
My wife has one of these: http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmari...ast/sr500.html

It's easy and does a pretty decent job. It's basically like a popcorn air-popper. It makes tiny batches of roasted coffee - like just a few pots worth at a time.

Some people actually use popcorn poppers to roast coffee. Other people use a metal dog dish and a heat gun - and manually stir the beans with a long spoon.
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ever heard of placebo effect?
Is it so hard to accept that I can tell the difference between good and bad coffee?

What's next? You're going to tell me that a prime steak and select steak taste the same?
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Is it so hard to accept that I can tell the difference between good and bad coffee?

What's next? You're going to tell me that a prime steak and select steak taste the same?
Your words, not mine.
I never said anything about bad or good coffee, let alone steaks.

I doubt that one can tell the difference between a 1 week old grind and a 2 week old grind of the same coffee, under scientifically accepted testing methods.
Well, maybe a well trained pro could, but 99.99% of the population can't.
It's just not worth spending extra money on such things, unless you're that pro, in which case you should be working at the commodities exchange floor.
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well, after some thought i decided to return and get a capresso burr grinder and a cuisinart dcc1200

saved $75 in the process and i'm sure having them separate will be less problems in the long run

now it's bean time ,lol
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Have you ever tried Cat poop coffee? Apparently its very expensive stuff! Tried it in China and it was expensive but very smooth!
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Have you ever tried Cat poop coffee? Apparently its very expensive stuff! Tried it in China and it was expensive but very smooth!
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Good gawd, the bad advice in this thread rivals the "What TV should I buy" threads. I'm no coffee enthusiast but enjoy a good cup of coffee none-the-less. Look, fellas... there are some basics that are told here that some of you just seem to be fighting. You mofos are arguing about 1 week coffee vs 2 week coffee. Here is what you should take away from this thread; I'm going to save you the time...

- get whole beans instead of ground coffee.
- get a good burr grinder (I have the bodum one but I hear the Capresso one is good too)
- just get about one or two weeks worth.
- find a local coffee roaster or at least try and find different coffees until you find one you love.
- find the way you like to make the coffee... machine? french press? pour over? expresso?
- a good cup of coffee needs very little cream or sugar, if any.

Personally, I'm still looking for good coffee and have just started to investigate the local roasters in my area. I have liked Peet's coffee (the major Dickinson Blend and also the Sumatra... the Columbian is also good).
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