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Old 11-21-2012, 01:20 AM   #1
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build my system

2002 325i (non HK system).

Any audiophiles out there whom really know how to blueprint a clean, clear, loud, quality system please design one for me. I am looking for something that sounds EXTREMELY clean.

Please assume a dynavin D99+ will be used as the head unit.

Here are some details / requirements:

** No real "budget", maybe keep it < $5000.00 (not including install or head unit)
** No super hacking of door panels/ interior trunk.
** Sub box in trunk is ok, but no extra panels inside the car
** make sure it sounds clean, gets super loud, and most importantly all of the equipment fits together.
** Did I already say make sure the equipment fits together? This is the area I lack in and need help. What I mean by this is make sure this amp works well with these speakers, this amp for these subs, these ohn speakers for this head unit or amp, etc...

I know this takes a little bit of work but it would really really help me out. My project E46 will be complete in a few months and I will be on to the audio portion.

Thanks,
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:00 PM   #2
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My opinion:

-If you DIY, you will have NO problem with your budget (I did mine for 2k but kept my stock HU). If paying for install, you'll probably use it up.

-If you don't cut open the doors (or the kicks), and mount the mids to baffles, you will be disappointed with the resulting mid-bass. Lot's of threads on this here.

-Lots of options for subs, music type and SPL targets needed to properly recommend. I'm happy with a couple of 8's running IB in the rear deck (clean, maintains trunk, and low cost). Others prefer more. I heard a Morel Ultimo12 with ~600W that pumped beyond what the 6-1/2s in the front stage could output.

-Clean AND super loud is relative. If you are looking for competition level, then you need to be looking at a more complex install with big mids (8s or 10s) and big amps to produce "clean and loud" air movement. My system is not that, but it gets louder than I like to listen to and it stays cleaner than most can discern, with 180w/ch on 165mm (6-1/2) mids.

-Fits together? "Technically compatible" is straight forward. The large majority of mobile audio equipment is 12V and designed for use 4ohm drivers.

The tricky part is the personal choice part of it. This is a blend of your ears, music preferences and vanity
Tweeters in particular have options...silk, metal, ribbon, ring, etc.

I highly recommend you demo some in-car systems to find out what type of sound your ears like.

From there, search "e46" in this forum, ICE forum over on m3forum, & the Build log forum over on DIYMA (where you will find my complete build log where I included a lot of links I used for inspiration ).

Good luck and start a build log!
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:08 PM   #3
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My opinion:

-If you DIY, you will have NO problem with your budget (I did mine for 2k but kept my stock HU). If paying for install, you'll probably use it up.

-If you don't cut open the doors (or the kicks), and mount the mids to baffles, you will be disappointed with the resulting mid-bass. Lot's of threads on this here.

-Lots of options for subs, music type and SPL targets needed to properly recommend. I'm happy with a couple of 8's running IB in the rear deck (clean, maintains trunk, and low cost). Others prefer more. I heard a Morel Ultimo12 with ~600W that pumped beyond what the 6-1/2s in the front stage could output.

-Clean AND super loud is relative. If you are looking for competition level, then you need to be looking at a more complex install with big mids (8s or 10s) and big amps to produce "clean and loud" air movement. My system is not that, but it gets louder than I like to listen to and it stays cleaner than most can discern, with 180w/ch on 165mm (6-1/2) mids.

-Fits together? "Technically compatible" is straight forward. The large majority of mobile audio equipment is 12V and designed for use 4ohm drivers.

The tricky part is the personal choice part of it. This is a blend of your ears, music preferences and vanity
Tweeters in particular have options...silk, metal, ribbon, ring, etc.

I highly recommend you demo some in-car systems to find out what type of sound your ears like.

From there, search "e46" in this forum, ICE forum over on m3forum, & the Build log forum over on DIYMA (where you will find my complete build log where I included a lot of links I used for inspiration ).

Good luck and start a build log!
Thanks for the info. Regarding budget, as I stated my $5,000 budget was NOT including install or the head unit. I am not looking for competition sound, I don't think anyways. Just looking for something that gets loud and sounds super clean. Don't mind cutting the door panels a little, just didn't want to start hacking things.

What I am really looking for is someone to actual recommend specific pieces of equipment. For example, "use Focus ZXBDBCVG1 speakers with AlpineXXXX amp, etc".
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:46 AM   #4
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:44 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by mrbamathews View Post
Thanks for the info. Regarding budget, as I stated my $5,000 budget was NOT including install or the head unit. I am not looking for competition sound, I don't think anyways. Just looking for something that gets loud and sounds super clean. Don't mind cutting the door panels a little, just didn't want to start hacking things.

What I am really looking for is someone to actual recommend specific pieces of equipment. For example, "use Focus ZXBDBCVG1 speakers with AlpineXXXX amp, etc".
I recently revamped my whole system with similar goals. Nice, clean, loud with tight bass. I spent just over $5K including all of the equipment and installation labor. Dynamat is key.

I went with:

Kenwood Excelon DNX9990HD Head Unit
Kenwood Excelon XR-5S 5-channel amp (80W X 4 + 350W X 1, RMS)
Hertz Hi-Energy HSK-165 components for front stage
Kenwood Excelon KFC-X173 coaxials for rear stage
Magicbox fiberglass sealed sub enclosure for trunk, carpeted to match
Kenwood Excelon KFC-XW1000F 10" subwoofer

I also had a backup camera added, along with a bluetooth mic in the factory location, an iPod adapter in the glovebox, steering wheel control interface, and a USB plus AUX jack placed in the center console under the armrest. That all added a bit as well to the cost.

You can see pics/writeup here - http://specializedcaraudioinc.com/?p=487


One thing I would take into consideration if you are planning to head your system up with a Dynavin is an external digital sound processor like the Audison Bit 1.

The Dynavin is great, especially for the look, but it is very limited when it comes to DSP and EQ functions. It's very important to be able to make these adjustments so that you can really see the potential of your equipment. I started out with a Dynavin myself, and I elected to take it out and go with that Kenwood double-DIN primarily because it was more flexible from a DSP, EQ and staging standpoint.

In any case, I'm sure you can easily spend more, but I am very happy with this setup. Loud when I want it to be and very clean sound.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:06 PM   #6
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I have a 2001 325i Sedan, I have cut the doors and mounted 6.5 mids on a baffle. That is defintiely the way to go. My system is hertz hi energy midbass, hybrid legatia l1v2 tweeter, alpine type r coaxial in the rear deck, ran optical with an iphone to a bitone processor to an arc audio 900.6 where everything is ran actively. I have 2 10" jl w3 in a sealed box. Lots of bass when i need it, but its a perfect setup. I used to have an active 3-way, but I changed to a 2-way and that is the way to go with the small cabin.

Here is what I suggest you buy:
Hertz mille components(without crossovers)~900$ or ARC Black series~800$
OR audison voce speakers for around 500$ without crossovers
If you want rear fill get some hertz hi energy coaxials~250$
Audison Bit One~1000$
Audison voce 5.1k amp for front active+sub ~1300$
Jl Xd200/2 for rear fill~250$
10" Jl w7~600$

Total Price with wiring~~4500
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