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Old 11-20-2012, 11:22 PM   #41
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:22 AM   #42
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:35 AM   #43
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there's so much wrong with your statement.

But I digress. OP, glad you're ok. Car looks done.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:12 AM   #44
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:49 AM   #45
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:09 PM   #46
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Airbags need a sudden decelleration to deploy. A car can be hit with enough force to kill the car but not deploy the bags. Basically, it takes 20mph or higher to make the airbags deploy. If the car that did the damage was only doing 15 at the time of impact, then this is below the threshold for deployment. Perhaps my numbers are a bit out of whack, but the idea is still true -- it takes a certain impact to deploy the airbags, and if the impact is below the threshold then the bags will remain intact.
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Airbags need a sudden decelleration to deploy. A car can be hit with enough force to kill the car but not deploy the bags. Basically, it takes 20mph or higher to make the airbags deploy. If the car that did the damage was only doing 15 at the time of impact, then this is below the threshold for deployment. Perhaps my numbers are a bit out of whack, but the idea is still true -- it takes a certain impact to deploy the airbags, and if the impact is below the threshold then the bags will remain intact.
you were right in your first two sentences, then completely contradicted yourself.

Airbag sensors are generally around a decellerometer/inertial design. They measure how quickly the car changes acceleration in the specified direction.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:26 PM   #48
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Not totaled, A door at a junker like 350 to 400 top and the rest at the shop.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:28 PM   #49
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Not totaled, A door at a junker like 350 to 400 top and the rest at the shop.
that car is most likely going to need a 1/4 panel.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:45 PM   #50
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you were right in your first two sentences, then completely contradicted yourself.

Airbag sensors are generally around a decellerometer/inertial design. They measure how quickly the car changes acceleration in the specified direction.
Whatever. If the change in speed or direction is below a threshold, the bags will not deploy.

If the car is going X and suddenly is going zero, OR is going zero and suddenly is going X, then whether or not the airgbags deploy depends on how much difference there is in X and zero. If the impact is small, then X and zero are close together, if the impact is large then X is considerably different than zero. Airbags protect you from a large impact, if trhe impact is not large then the airbags are not needed and they can easily do more damage than they protect against.

I can't recall ever hearing of an airbag going off in a car that was not moving when it was wrecked. I'm not saying it does not happen, I just don't recall a specific instance where this is true. I see no reason it would not be true, but I am not an engineer on the team that figured out how to make an airbag work. What I do know is that there has to be a certain impact or greater, else the airbags do not deploy. That is what I said earlier, and tried to describe the conditions.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:34 PM   #51
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So OP what happened to the car?
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Sorry to hear.
Are the roof racks up for grabs? Is so I am interested.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:51 PM   #53
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Delmarco you are awesome but I really don't think it's time to ask OP about car parts
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Whatever. If the change in speed or direction is below a threshold, the bags will not deploy.

If the car is going X and suddenly is going zero, OR is going zero and suddenly is going X, then whether or not the airgbags deploy depends on how much difference there is in X and zero. If the impact is small, then X and zero are close together, if the impact is large then X is considerably different than zero. Airbags protect you from a large impact, if trhe impact is not large then the airbags are not needed and they can easily do more damage than they protect against.

I can't recall ever hearing of an airbag going off in a car that was not moving when it was wrecked. I'm not saying it does not happen, I just don't recall a specific instance where this is true. I see no reason it would not be true, but I am not an engineer on the team that figured out how to make an airbag work. What I do know is that there has to be a certain impact or greater, else the airbags do not deploy. That is what I said earlier, and tried to describe the conditions.
When you get rear ended the airbags go off, and you often aren't moving.

And why did you take what NOVA presented simply and make it so complicated?
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:34 PM   #55
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There's more than one way to skin a cat, but to fix this car up right (OEM parts, OEM quality paint, OEM fixtures), it all adds up. I wouldn't take my car to any place other than a BMW-approved body shop and use OEM parts, but that's just me. Either way, to do it right, you'd be well over 5k easily. Seems like the two shops you took it to said the same thing, any updates..?
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:12 AM   #57
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Sorry for lack of updates, car was at the shop about a week insurance declares the car a total loss and offered $4,900 which I rejected and told them they'd be hearing from my lawyer soon, how much you think the cars worth? 1 owner mint condition all options premium and sport package with a good amount of money in modifications only hard hot is that it has 190,000 miles I'm going to miss her :'(
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:32 AM   #58
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$4,900 with 190k... that wasn't too far off the mark, especially for a 323. Create a lot of hassle for her insurance company and they may offer more to settle quickly, but chances are you will lose some on this car.
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