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Old 07-20-2012, 03:46 PM   #1
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New Exhaust... Borla Midpipe with either SS Race vs. Rogue El Diablo?

Hi,

I am having a tough time making a decision... it's hard with just youtube clips and user reviews to go by.

I am upgrading my exhaust, I am interested in catback system, and I have read nothing but good reviews on borla midpipe for eliminating rasp & drone, so I am pretty confident in going with it.

I am looking for a deep, throaty, aggressive tone, however one that is not too loud for a daily driver.

My dilemma is whether to spend the $$ to go for the supersprint SS race exhaust, or save about $1000 and go with the El Diablo.

I use my M3 as my daily driver, and I don't track it (yet anyways). Obviously being a daily driver I don't want it to be obnoxiously loud everywhere I go, however from what I've read/heard with stock headers and the borla midpipe the SS Race shouldn't be too loud for daily street use.

The El Diablo seems to be more practical for daily use, however I'm not sure based on youtube clips that I like the sound.

Any opinions from guys who have either setup?

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Old 07-20-2012, 03:51 PM   #2
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I'd say wait for someone to sell a used SS muffler and jump on it, you'd save a little more by doing that and there's nothing wrong with a used one

Oh and if you want a deeper tone then I recommend catless headers.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:44 AM   #3
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Hi,

I am having a tough time making a decision... it's hard with just youtube clips and user reviews to go by.

I am upgrading my exhaust, I am interested in catback system, and I have read nothing but good reviews on borla midpipe for eliminating rasp & drone, so I am pretty confident in going with it.

I am looking for a deep, throaty, aggressive tone, however one that is not too loud for a daily driver.

My dilemma is whether to spend the $$ to go for the supersprint SS race exhaust, or save about $1000 and go with the El Diablo.

I use my M3 as my daily driver, and I don't track it (yet anyways). Obviously being a daily driver I don't want it to be obnoxiously loud everywhere I go, however from what I've read/heard with stock headers and the borla midpipe the SS Race shouldn't be too loud for daily street use.

The El Diablo seems to be more practical for daily use, however I'm not sure based on youtube clips that I like the sound.

Any opinions from guys who have either setup?

Thanks!
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I have owned BOTH the Sprint AND the RE El Diablo coupled with the Borla V2 mid pipe.
The answer is easy.
I ran the Borla Mid/ RE combo for years and one day on a whim decided to try the SS Race. It sounded TERRIBLE with the Borla. The two are simply NOT compatible. I had it removed immediately and sold it.

IMO, the Borla Mid coupled with the RE El Diablo is hands down the sexiest, most exotic sounding exhaust combo for the M3. I had an 8200RPM redline tuned in so it screamed like an F1 car. The sound starts off as a low burble, very bass like then builds to a wail. Very Italian sounding. It sounds AS GOOD as SOME stock Ferraris I have heard....well maybe one or two. Ferraris are hard to beat for exhaust tone. But the M3 sounds REAL sweet.

I got the best results from removing the stock headers and running cat free with simple Ebay headers...300rwhp. My tuner leaned the mix out a little and it sounded a LOT louder and better. Only problem was a bit of drone.
There is no real drone issue with the stock headers intact. The exhaust will not annoy anyone with or with out cats. Hard acceleration brings out the best notes.
You will not find the combo too loud if you keep the cats. Its CAN be loud with out cats but ONLY when you jump on it.
There are only one or two sound bytes on youtube with the Borla mid/RE muffler combo. It sounds even better in real life.

Avoid the SS race at all costs unless you get rid of the Borla mid. The SS race is a totally different sound anyways...much more aggressive to the point of being annoying. Not refined in any way.`


The RE EL Diablo sounds MUCH better with the Borla mid than it does with the RE rasp pipe. The Borla V2 Mid is King IMO for eliminating rasp.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:33 AM   #4
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^^^ that was probably the best answer.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:31 PM   #5
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Well Bdave, I was hoping to get opinions from people who had either and then compare... and then you come in and just sell me completely on the borla/RE combo! Thanks a lot, I would take fanatics word over any youtube video since it's so hard to capture exhaust notes on video.

I also agree with the borla v2 mid comment, not having personal experience but it seems like that is the #1 consensus midpipe for eliminating drone/rasp.

I'm very excited that I can get the sound I want for a lot cheaper.
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:27 PM   #6
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You could always weld in an a AR20 for a lot less. It's does a great job with rasp.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:44 PM   #7
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I've got the Borla/El Diablo set up on mine....absolutely love it! The Borla is great at killing rasp while sounding refined to, adding a slight throatiness which is amplified when combined with the El Diablo. I got my Borla used as being a midpipe, why care if it is all brand new and shiny or not? I did buy the El Diablo new for it is visible on the car and I'd rather have a good looking exhaust and pay some more than have one that is all scratched up (perfectionist here). Wish I had a clip I could post for you as most youtube videos do NOT do it justice.

As for DDability, it's great. Not too aggressive when you're not getting on it but it SCREAMS at WOT It compliments the M3 very well in character as it is not always in your face flashy and subtle but when you get on it, it turns into a monster. It has a nice deep sound to it around 3k in 2nd or 3rd and will open a bit if you take off a little quick in 1st. Overall, I'd highly recommend the Borla/El Diablo. Also drops 52 (IIRC) lbs off stock


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Old 07-23-2012, 06:26 AM   #8
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the best thing to do is get into a e46 m3 club and listen to the different combos and desided for your self I have a 03 m and that what I am going to do I spoke to the tech at borla and he said their exhaust will fit with no adjustments next to the sound that just as important
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:15 AM   #9
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You could always weld in an a AR20 for a lot less. It's does a great job with rasp.
Dido. Stop wasting your money and time.
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:53 AM   #10
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I was at bimmer cruse last sunday and heard the borla first hand and the sound is what I am looking for on the idle and low speed not loud but when you stand on it has a heavy growl
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:26 AM   #11
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I have just the El Diablo and you guys are making me want the Borla midpipe!!

I also have a non-resonnated Supersprint section 1 lying around, I wonder how those 3 would sound together.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:53 AM   #12
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Thanks guys

well Borla Midpipe on order after reading the thread. Rogue has a drone in 6th that is bothering me and everyone says Borla midpipe will fix it. I will let everyone know. Thanks
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:58 AM   #13
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I bought this setup finally!!! Being installed today! So excited! Lots of mods going on, will have a thread up
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:46 PM   #14
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didn't realize have to re-use gasket & flange from stock muffler... good things its got about 10 years of degradation & rust. Boo
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:09 PM   #15
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Agree with Bdave overall. You may want to check out Magnaflow mufflers as well; I have those and personally think it's one of the best sounding Ms...
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:11 PM   #16
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got the el diablo + borla going on my car right now. Had to wait for a flange & gasket to come in... and I'm not stoked on the midpipe fitment whatsoever, it is now the lowest (and first to make contact) with anything I would happen to drive over / hit a pothole etc. Haven't heard it yet, but definitely not impressed with the build quality / engineering... especially for something marketed as a "bolt-on".
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:52 PM   #17
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El diablo is a great sound for the dollar...so are Scorza and Borla..
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:33 PM   #18
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such a huge fan of this sound, just got it back. my good god it sounds sexy. forget the clearance issues, this is an amazing exhaust besides that
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:59 AM   #19
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The PROBLEM HERE (if any) is if there is a problem checking for the smog check. Especially in California. Anyone have problems with that? Because Im thinking of getting it as well, but Californai is crazy with smog checks
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:51 PM   #20
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I live in California. You are ok with smog checks as long as you don't screw with the cats......even using aftermarket cats in a different location will trigger a problem with the smog dudes. Bottom line is as long as you are south of the cats , you are good to go.
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