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Old 12-11-2012, 11:52 AM   #21
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Better than being a minimum wage/no benefits slave to the corporation.




Nobody has ever been forced to join a union.
No one has ever been forced to be a "slave to the corporation," either.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:08 PM   #22
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If the right to work is such a bad thing, then why do most of the states that have the law seem to be doing better than states without it ?
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That's right, only if you want to be an auto worker in Michigan.

Why is choice such a bad thing?
If you want to be an auto worker, then you need to join the union that made it such an attractive job in the first place. If you don't want to join a union, move to Alabama and work for Hyundai.
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If the right to work is such a bad thing, then why do most of the states that have the law seem to be doing better than states without it ?
Why do republicans seem to hate everything that benefits the middle class?
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:19 PM   #25
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If you want to be an auto worker, then you need to join the union that made it such an attractive job in the first place. If you don't want to join a union, move to Alabama and work for Hyundai.
If everybody had that mentality, we'd still be colonies of the crown.

Again, why is choice a bad thing for workers?
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:22 PM   #26
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Why do republicans seem to hate everything that benefits the middle class?
because they are either rich asshats who want to hold on to their wealth at the expense of the 99% of the rest of society or they are poor rednecks who have been brainwashed and have dreams of being the 1% and are pissed that the middle class are trying to take from the 1% who they will soon be a part of.

if there is a class in our society who votes against their best interest as much as god fearing lower class rednecks, i don't know who it is
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Better than being a minimum wage/no benefits slave to the corporation.




Nobody has ever been forced to join a union.

I begged the differ. Some employment contract states that union membership is a requirement for employment. Other contract will not require union membership but requires mandatory union monthly payments.

Why r liberals so against choices? Should they want workers to be able to choose between wanting to be part of a union or not.

Btw...unions are against secret ballets during the voting unionization process. They want to see what employee wants to be in a union or not.



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I begged the differ. Some employment contract states that union membership is a requirement for employment. Other contract will not require union membership but requires mandatory union monthly payments.

Why r liberals so against choices? Should they want workers to be able to choose between wanting to be part of a union or not.

Btw...unions are against secret ballets during the voting unionization process. They want to see what employee wants to be in a union or not.



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They are free to not take the job, hence not being forced to join the union.
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They are free to not take the job, hence not being forced to join the union.
But now they'll be free to take the job, without having to pay the union to work there
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Rank State Unemployment rate / Right to work states in bold
It seems to be working.
Michigan recently voted it in.........

1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.1%
2 NEBRASKA 3.8%
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.5%
4 IOWA 5.1%
5 UTAH 5.2%
6 WYOMING 5.2%
7 OKLAHOMA 5.3%
8 HAWAII 5.5%
9 VERMONT 5.5%
10 KANSAS 5.7%
11 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.7%
12 VIRGINIA 5.7%
13 MINNESOTA 5.8%
14 MONTANA 6%
15 NEW MEXICO 6.3%
16 LOUISIANA 6.6%
17 MASSACHUSETTS 6.6%
18 TEXAS 6.6%
19 MARYLAND 6.7%
20 DELAWARE 6.8%
21 MISSOURI 6.9%
22 OHIO 6.9%
23 WISCONSIN 6.9%
24 IDAHO 7%
25 ALASKA 7.1%
26 ARKANSAS 7.2%



27 MAINE 7.4%
28 WEST VIRGINIA 7.5%
29 COLORADO 7.9%
30 INDIANA 8%
31 ALABAMA 8.1%
32 ARIZONA 8.1%
33 PENNSYLVANIA 8.1%
34 TENNESSEE 8.2%
35 WASHINGTON 8.2%
36 KENTUCKY 8.4%
37 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 8.5%
38 FLORIDA 8.5%
39 OREGON 8.6%
40 SOUTH CAROLINA 8.6%
41 GEORGIA 8.7%
42 NEW YORK 8.7%
43 ILLINOIS 8.8%
44 MISSISSIPPI 8.9%
45 CONNECTICUT 9%
46 MICHIGAN 9.1%
47 NORTH CAROLINA 9.3%
48 NEW JERSEY 9.7%
49 CALIFORNIA 10.1%
50 RHODE ISLAND 10.4%
51 NEVADA 11.5%

The following states are right-to-work states:

Alabama
Arizona †
Arkansas †
Florida †
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana[30]
Iowa
Kansas †
Louisiana
Michigan[31]
Mississippi †
Nebraska ††
Nevada
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma †
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
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Virginia
Wyoming
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But now they'll be free to take the job, without having to pay the union to work there
At first brush that sounds fine and good to me, but I'm honestly not too informed on the effects of such a thing.
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The state with the highest unemployment is a RTW state? Obviously right to work destroys jobs and impoverishes people.
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At first brush that sounds fine and good to me, but I'm honestly not too informed on the effects of such a thing.
If you can explain why choice is a bad thing, I'll concede the point.
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It seems to be working.
I might be inclined to believe your generalization if every job in existence was able to unionize.
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I might be inclined to believe your generalization if every job in existence was able to unionize.
If the UAW had their way, not only would they be able to, they'd be required to!

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I might be inclined to believe your generalization if every job in existence was able to unionize.
I believe it works because it attracts industries that would not necessarily be interested in big union states like Michigan, New York or Indiana.

BMW has a manufacturing facility in South Carolina and Boeing recently announced that they were building an assembly plant there. Do you think that having a RTW law had anything to do with it ? I bet it did. Sure, the economic incentives the state threw in were a bonus, but I am confident the RTW law had an impact as well.
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But now they'll be free to take the job, without having to pay the union to work there
But they WANT that high-paying union autoworker's job!
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If you can explain why choice is a bad thing, I'll concede the point.
Choice is a good thing.

People can choose union or non-union shops.
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But they WANT that high-paying union autoworker's job!
That's the beauty of the situation: they can still have it! Now they just get the choice!

And again, since the UAW is such an amazing organization, they're still going to keep bringing in all the money they always have!
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I'll be so happy when the republicans get everything they think they want.

Maybe the entitlement mentality will end, and they can celebrate like rockstars (minimum-wage, part-time, no-benefits rockstars).
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