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Old 12-17-2012, 12:17 PM   #3901
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You are making the mistake that I am a church going believer, that hates science and thinks the world is flat. That is your problem. By saying you won't change me, I mean what beliefs I have are mine, and I'll choose how I wish to act with them.

So keep your scientific theory, and your condescending attitude. It makes you look like a tool.
I never said anything of the sort. You stated that no matter what others say, you will stick to what you believe. A noble concept, sure, but ultimately those are the words of a fool. If you aren't willing to see things from the other side of the aisle and examine evidence from an opposing point of of view, what ground do you really have to stand on?

I don't know what your beliefs are and I never stated that I did. I was addressing the ignorant comment you made about not accepting any other point of view. That unwilling attitude is a large contributing factor to the disagreements we have all over the world today.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:23 PM   #3902
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So in your mind, there is only one way to live, and be. If you are not in the same line as you, you are "clinging" to ignorance?

At least we know how tolerant you are.
I am not angry, far from it. I have a charmed life. In a couple of hours, we'll be dining with a nice view of the Vatican in a very nice restaurant, and religious excesses such as that mind-numbing display of religious wealth and power don't make me angry. Sad, perhaps disgusted... but not angry.

And yes, the world is quite easily divided into the intelligent and the not-so in myriad ways: On one side, let's put the religious, the smokers, the child abusers, the wife beaters, the dominators, the dictators, the political leaders who led millions of their own people to slaughter, and on the other, those who avoid danger or damage to themselves and those they love by living a productive, fruitful life without self-imposed turmoil, or under the direction of charlatans, and without expecting a heavenly reward for doing what they should have been doing all along to care for their fellow human beings, and without providing tribute to fake deities through religious leaders who build obscene palaces like St. Peters.

Most people who realize they are ignorant (as most of us are, as in "uninformed until told the truth") usually contemplate and reassess their core beliefs at some point in time, absent outward peer pressure, right after reaching the age of reason. Those who remain ignorant on purpose, and continue to cling to their ignorance in spite of proof to the contrary, are by definition imbeciles, should be avoided. By their prayers and holy works I shall know them, and avoid them...
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Tell me, what makes me "crazy"...
I don't know if you're crazy or not. I only see the hateful, angry crap you post here.

But in my experience, guys like you are the ones that snap and shoot up the place - usually with religious sanction (like abortion clinic bombings and abortion provider homicides, etc).

I'd trust a damned dirty hippy before I'd turn my back on you. At least i know the only thing in danger is a pack or Oreos when a hippy's hanging around.

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I never said anything of the sort. You stated that no matter what others say, you will stick to what you believe. A noble concept, sure, but ultimately those are the words of a fool. If you aren't willing to see things from the other side of the aisle and examine evidence from an opposing point of of view, what ground do you really have to stand on?

I don't know what your beliefs are and I never stated that I did. I was addressing the ignorant comment you made about not accepting any other point of view. That unwilling attitude is a large contributing factor to the disagreements we have all over the world today.
My comment was misunderstood. I did not say I would not be willing to learn something new, or see both sides of the coin. What I meant it to be was attempting to take what I was asying regarding prayer, and attempt to turn me into an atheist because "god does not exist". I see many points of view on this issue, and all are right/wrong depending on where you are standing. Those that get comfort and understanding from praying are right. Those that think it is stupid are also right, because the only point of view you can ever really see is your own.

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I am not angry, far from it. I have a charmed life. In a couple of hours, we'll be dining with a nice view of the Vatican in a very nice restaurant, and religious excesses such as that mind-numbing display of religious wealth and power don't make me angry. Sad, perhaps disgusted... but not angry.

And yes, the world is quite easily divided into the intelligent and the not-so in myriad ways: On one side, let's put the religious, the smokers, the child abusers, the wife beaters, the dominators, the dictators, the political leaders who led millions of their own people to slaughter, and on the other, those who avoid danger or damage to themselves and those they love by living a productive, fruitful life without self-imposed turmoil, or under the direction of charlatans, and without expecting a heavenly reward for doing what they should have been doing all along to care for their fellow human beings, and without providing tribute to fake deities through religious leaders who build obscene palaces like St. Peters.

Most people who realize they are ignorant (as most of us are, as in "uninformed until told the truth") usually contemplate and reassess their core beliefs at some point in time, absent outward peer pressure, right after reaching the age of reason. Those who remain ignorant on purpose, and continue to cling to their ignorance in spite of proof to the contrary, are by definition imbeciles, should be avoided. By their prayers and holy works I shall know them, and avoid them...
And that is the thing. No matter how well versed you are, or intelligent you cannot say with certainty what a person of belief is thinking, feeling or getting from the experience. Group religious people together with any number of people you want, but it still comes down to what that person WANTS and not what anyone else wants.

You are assuming that a person cannot have faith, and still believe in science, evolution and the modern world. You appear to be making every person that has ever asked God for help into a religious nut job, yet you celebrate holidays based off of religious happenings, rooted in religious history. You don't seem to mind getting involved in Christmas, but renounce the beginning of it.

All I am saying is that for every one whack job, there is another. Atheist that are offended by our money and pledge, are just as crazy as the religious people that die for virgins in a mythical land. Both sides of the coin are full of people.

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I don't know if you're crazy or not. I only see the hateful, angry crap you post here.

But in my experience, guys like you are the ones that snap and shoot up the place - usually with religious sanction (like abortion clinic bombings and abortion provider homicides, etc).

I'd trust a damned dirty hippy before I'd turn my back on you. At least i know the only thing in danger is a pack or Oreos when a hippy's hanging around.

No offense.
So you don't know if I am crazy, but you have no problem accusing me of being, and not only that but attempting to predict I will shoot up a school?

And you sayI post "hateful angry crap". You are a little misguided, and quick to make accusations. Maybe you should think before typing from now on.

And I would not bank on trusting the experience of a "window guy" when it comes to psychological evaluations and judge of character. No PhD, no care.
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It doesn't take a phd to recognize angry, hateful crap.

And I haven't owned a glass business since 2006.

"Misguided".
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It doesn't take a phd to recognize angry, hateful crap.

And I haven't owned a glass business since 2006.

"Misguided".
Of all the things in this thread, no one would confuse me with your hateful accusational crap.

Please enlighten me. You failed on the crazy part, and chose to say "in your limited experience", so please proceed to show true anger and aggression from me.

I'll wait.
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A quote from the other thread about the Westboro Church.

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Old 12-17-2012, 02:31 PM   #3908
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My comment was misunderstood. I did not say I would not be willing to learn something new, or see both sides of the coin. What I meant it to be was attempting to take what I was asying regarding prayer, and attempt to turn me into an atheist because "god does not exist". I see many points of view on this issue, and all are right/wrong depending on where you are standing. Those that get comfort and understanding from praying are right. Those that think it is stupid are also right, because the only point of view you can ever really see is your own.
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Of all the things in this thread, no one would confuse me with your hateful accusational crap.

Please enlighten me. You failed on the crazy part, and chose to say "in your limited experience", so please proceed to show true anger and aggression from me.

I'll wait.
If you were crazy, how would you know?
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If you were crazy, how would you know?
Why don't we just ask you? You're a perfect example, clearly crazy, but you seem either completely unaware or in denial
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Italian Government stop the use of card payments in the Vatican due to the Holy See's reluctance to stamp out money laundering through the IOR (Vatican Bank).

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popped back in here to hopefully find an intelligent discussion, some funny pics, or at least a respectful discussion....

.... sigh.

IMO, it seems that you all have a few demons you need to address. No need for this kind of hate.
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I was sitting next to my sister on Christmas Eve, one of two times I go just to placate my mom, and she was reading something in the bible. I leaned over and said "I don't want to ruin it for you, but he dies in the end." She didn't find it as funny as me.
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I was sitting next to my sister on Christmas Eve, one of two times I go just to placate my mom, and she was reading something in the bible. I leaned over and said "I don't want to ruin it for you, but he dies in the end." She didn't find it as funny as me.
Ahhh, pissing off the family.... one of the greatest Christmas traditions.
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Yes, however assuming one has a specific set of beliefs in something science cannot prove or disprove is the point. You can argue the merits of a belief all you want but if a person has a belief in something, and calls on that belief in times of need, who is it hurting?

Keep in mind, I have not voiced my beliefs, or argued one opinion or the other is more correct or legit. I find it absolutely disgusting that anyone would ridicule anyone who uses prayer in a crisis like this one as a mechanism of comfort. Does it really matter how useless it is to you, when it may be helping another?

And again, assuming I believe in something, set it to a higher standard than thought and science, and then attempting to use it against me is laughable. It does not matter my beliefs or practices, nor does that have any relevance to the point I was trying to make. Continue bashing, trolling or attempting to sway me one way or the other. It is hilarious that anyone even attempts to make a judgement based on something you don't even know, and more to the point will never know. I just think making the suffering and coping methods of people in distress a punch line is horrible, regardless of your beliefs.


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So it's true then that ignorance is bliss?
More or less.

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So in your mind, there is only one way to live, and be. If you are not in the same line as you, you are "clinging" to ignorance?

At least we know how tolerant you are.
That's the problem with many atheists, they are usually just as intolerably intolerant as the members of the very religions that they despise.
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I was sitting next to my sister on Christmas Eve, one of two times I go just to placate my mom, and she was reading something in the bible. I leaned over and said "I don't want to ruin it for you, but he dies in the end." She didn't find it as funny as me.
Most of them wouldn't.
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You Atheists and Agnostics sure do seem to spend a lot of your time and resources fighting something in which you do not profess to believe. Wonder why.........
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You Atheists and Agnostics sure do seem to spend a lot of your time and resources fighting something in which you do not profess to believe. Wonder why.........
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Q: What do you tell a Religious Nut on their death bed?

A: Hope you're right!
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