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Old 12-24-2012, 05:24 PM   #281
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I was wondering when that point would be brought up.

Technically, as long as the hardware can handle it, there's no difference. But of course in the real world, you double the work that the coil packs are doing...and there are different results from that.
I'm not sure I'm picking up what you guys are talking about here...care to discuss further? What I'm getting from this is on a turbocharged application you are doubling the amount of work required from the coils? Or is this in regards to different EMS running the coils?
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I'm not sure I'm picking up what you guys are talking about here...care to discuss further? What I'm getting from this is on a turbocharged application you are doubling the amount of work required from the coils? Or is this in regards to different EMS running the coils?
I'm going to word this to focus on the facts, not a specific product:

If an EMS doesn't have enough ignition outputs, or the software/processor configuration doesn't have the ability to run X ignition outputs sequentially, you can run a "wasted spark" configuration.

This is provided that the engine has an even-fire bank configuration, where for example cylinder #1 on bank A is at TDC at the same time as cylinder #3 on bank B.

Wasted spark on a 6 cylinder engine would use 3 ignition outputs that fire every 360 degrees of crank rotation. In a sequential configuration, 6 individual outputs would fire once every 720 degrees.

Or in other words, every time a piston is at TDC, the ignition fires with wasted spark. Half the time it's igniting a burn cycle, half the time it's firing during the exhaust cycle.

Sequential ignition outputs would fire only during the burn cycle.

So with "wasted spark", you gain the ability to fire more cylinders, but the ignition system effectively doubles the work load on the existing hardware. It has nothing to do with the fact than an engine is turbo charged or not.

The other miss-conception about FI engines is that running more boost puts more load on the ignition system. This is not true. The ignition system doesn't care about cylinder pressure, or whether the signal output to the spark plug does it's job. It just keeps doing it's thing blindly. If the system doesn't have enough strength to light off a high pressure cylinder charge, it's actually easier...because the energy doesn't get expended. (Missed ignition) That's not to say that more cylinder pressure doesn't need a stronger ignition system, because this is usually the case. It's just that as far as load goes, or how much work the ignition does, system life is a function of RPM or simply how many times the system fires, not so much what it's firing into.

Man...I really should write up an article on smart coils, dumb coils, ignitors, and CD systems.

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Old 12-24-2012, 09:14 PM   #283
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Man...I really should write up an article on smart coils, dumb coils, ignitors, and CD systems.


Thanks for the info! I'm sure you know offhand which EMS use which system...so what does each offer?

Secondly I'm sure alot of us wouldn't mind a read up on the above when you get some time after the holidays Merry Christmas
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AEM V1: 3 Coil Outputs (Wasted Spark)
AEM V2: 6 Coil Outputs

Interesting...
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Thanks for the info! I'm sure you know offhand which EMS use which system...so what does each offer?

Secondly I'm sure alot of us wouldn't mind a read up on the above when you get some time after the holidays Merry Christmas
Time?

I'd love some of that....
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I'd love some of that....
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:43 PM   #287
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AEM V2: 6 Coil Outputs

Interesting...
Does the wiring harness takes advantage of this on the V2 kits?
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Does the wiring harness takes advantage of this on the V2 kits?
There is no V2 Kits for our cars.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:49 AM   #289
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Such a sad, depressing and frustrating situation.

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We have wired Haltech and it was fine, there isnt any abs etc problems like pro-efi. It was going all good then oil scavange pump failed :@

I need a new pump I wonder how it failed so early?

I will keep you posted.
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We have checked the wiring and the Pro-efi also uses wasted spark system..
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It was going all good then oil scavange pump failed :@

I need a new pump I wonder how it failed so early?
It's because you aren't running the HPF AEM! Oh and now you no longer have a warranty on any of your parts, so that failed scavenge pump isn't covered

All joking aside (or not ), I would add an oil drain sump for the turbo along with a new pump.

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Old 01-09-2013, 12:08 PM   #293
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It's because you aren't running the HPF AEM! Oh and now you no longer have a warranty on any of your parts, so that failed scavenge pump isn't covered

All joking aside (or not ), I would add an oil drain sump for the turbo along with a new pump.
lololol this post has so much win to it OP I truly admire your patience throughout this whole ordeal, you my friend ARE the bigger man of all companies involved. Glad to see you're finally getting somewhere and will be out your car very very soon.
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We have wired Haltech and it was fine, there isnt any abs etc problems like pro-efi. It was going all good then oil scavange pump failed :@

I need a new pump I wonder how it failed so early?

I will keep you posted.
Those pumps have extremely tight tolerances which makes them very quiet and very efficient. Any tiny amount of debris in the oil line that goes to the pump will cause it to fail. This can happen when a turbo takes a dump and spits out it's guts, but we've also seen it happen when installers use silicon on the AN fittings or when debris gets into the lines prior to installation. We've also had issues in the past where the oil scavenge pumps have bolts that loosen up as well. Sometimes they can be tightened up and it works again, but often they are junk when they fail.

Others may chime in here, but I think they typically have a life expectancy of about 30,000 miles.

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We have wired Haltech and it was fine, there isnt any abs etc problems like pro-efi. It was going all good then oil scavange pump failed :@

I need a new pump I wonder how it failed so early?

I will keep you posted.
What were the signs / symptoms of the pump failing ? Do u have a sensor or did u just not hear it running ?
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Those pumps have extremely tight tolerances which makes them very quiet and very efficient. Any tiny amount of debris in the oil line that goes to the pump will cause it to fail. This can happen when a turbo takes a dump and spits out it's guts, but we've also seen it happen when installers use silicon on the AN fittings or when debris gets into the lines prior to installation. We've also had issues in the past where the oil scavenge pumps have bolts that loosen up as well. Sometimes they can be tightened up and it works again, but often they are junk when they fail.

Others may chime in here, but I think they typically have a life expectancy of about 30,000 miles.

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It would be a nice for us the have an estimated MBTF for some of the key parts in the HPF kit so we can add them to a Maintenance schedule for r HPF cars.
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It's because you aren't running the HPF AEM! Oh and now you no longer have a warranty on any of your parts, so that failed scavenge pump isn't covered

All joking aside (or not ), I would add an oil drain sump for the turbo along with a new pump.
It is on warranty but i have to send it to USA to be checked before they send me a new one.

I still didnt remove it from the car.
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What were the signs / symptoms of the pump failing ? Do u have a sensor or did u just not hear it running ?
It is not working i cannot hear it and the ALOT of white smoke from exhaust.
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I am going to garage now to remove it. Lets solve this issue.
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Those pumps have extremely tight tolerances which makes them very quiet and very efficient. Any tiny amount of debris in the oil line that goes to the pump will cause it to fail. This can happen when a turbo takes a dump and spits out it's guts, but we've also seen it happen when installers use silicon on the AN fittings or when debris gets into the lines prior to installation. We've also had issues in the past where the oil scavenge pumps have bolts that loosen up as well. Sometimes they can be tightened up and it works again, but often they are junk when they fail.

Others may chime in here, but I think they typically have a life expectancy of about 30,000 miles.

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