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Everyone who has taken an introductory economics course knows what the multiplier effect is. People still question the stimulus because it was a massive miss-allocation of taxpayer funds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% opposed to the stimulus, but it wasn't implemented correctly. I wish we really had poured all that money into infrastructure. Unfortunately a lot of it went to porkbarrel spending while roads and bridges everywhere continue to fall apart.
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econ 101.
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You won't find me arguing against this. I am diametrically opposed to almost every aspect of Keynesian economics with the exception of infrastructure investment. We need it. The problem is that we already pissed away 1.4 trillion on the previous stimulus packages. Why didn't we address these problems them?
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There are plenty of other studies that show govt spending as a net drain on the economy:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...ng-doesnt-work http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougband...ment-stimulus/ http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/6420.html?wknews=052410 A four year study by two UCLA economists show that FDR's spending actually lengthened the Great Depression by as much as 7 years! http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...sion-5409.aspx Last edited by 330iPilot; 12-08-2012 at 04:42 PM. |
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Why didn't the first stimulus go to infrastructure? Where were the shovel ready jobs? Oh, NOW we need more money for infrastructure...I guess we didn't know we should work on that back in 2009.
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The vast majority of ARRA were tax subsidies for businesses and Federal subsidies for state governments wallowing in red ink. Nobody is going to argue that the government needs to build more roads, bridges, power lines (preferably buried), repair/replace the water mains, and all that good stuff.
It's easy to say "we're launching a 100 billion dollar initiative to repair national infrastructure" or whatever. Actually doing it effectively is another matter altogether. And I have serious doubts that the Federal bureaucracy and the state legislators are capable of getting money where it's needed the most.
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The stimulus money built a new bridge by my house.
It was money well spent.
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My wife says this all the time. Spend money to save money.
FYI......I have little argument with infrastructure projects. I far prefer my burden of taxes be used on infrastructure than anything else.
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Can you imagine how our infrastructure would look if the trillions blown in the Middle East had been spent here?
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For real. If we get rid of DoD and entitlements, we could have 1.4 trillion per year to spend on infrastructure. Or we could balance the budget. We could do a number of things without those albatrosses.
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Spend money to save money? That makes perfect sense! Let me go blow every penny I have and see where that leaves me!
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As far shovel ready goes, I was involved with two ARRA funded projects, both of which were already slated to be funded by other means. I hope to hell that there isn't another stimulus, those grants were a pain in the ass to administer.
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Sure, and without any capability to defend ourselves we would be perfectly safe and secure. What an idiot.
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Only Americans are dumb enough to think that spending $1 of borrowed/printed money you don't have will yield $2 of actual money. Keep drinking the koolaid, some really smart professor with a wall full of diplomas said so...it must be true.
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What the OP does not understand is that depending on the local environment, every dollar spent in the private sector will result in 4-7 dollars being spent in the total economy. So, the basis for the article is flawed from the beginning except to the uniformed.
Besides, how much of that stimulus spending improved the economy when 300m was given to Solyndra and they went bankrupt a year later ? Another solar panel manufacturer that was a recipient of stimulus spending also went under a few weeks ago. No multiplier there. What was the multiplier effect when Hillary channeled 4m dollars to a company in Chicago that does political surveys to hire 3 people ? Or was the stimulus just paying it forward for her 2016 campaign ?
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Sure, private entities can and do make large returns on investment on their focused and limited investments, as is their role and function, but federal "investments," if you will, can also reap significant, if more broadly dispersed in time and focus, returns on the dollar in fostering and protecting the broader functioning society within which said private enterprises can actually flourish. Quote:
I'm certainly not about to defend every dollar of Federal Spending, but trying to tout small individual failures as somehow endemic or representative of all federal spending simply through analogy is itself a weak argument. |
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