Two firefighters dead after being shot while responding to house fire

Originally Posted by 217Bimmer

in other words, **** happens, and you're fine with mass murders. gotcha.

A child dies every 4 seconds from starvation. So in other words, **** happens and you're fine with millions of children dying every year?

Originally Posted by JonJon

A child dies every 4 seconds from starvation. So in other words, **** happens and you're fine with millions of children dying every year?

Remember, they only care if the cause advances their political agenda. This does nothing for them and these scum turn to things like banning guns. Where are your priorities?

Originally Posted by Nt_loader

Remember, they only care if the cause advances their political agenda. This does nothing for them and these scum turn to things like banning guns. Where are your priorities?

They have to attack the law abiding and innocents.
If they actually went after criminals, they'd be attacking their voters

Originally Posted by JonJon

They have to attack the law abiding and innocents.
If they actually went after criminals, they'd be attacking their voters

So true its not even funny.

Originally Posted by JonJon

Same reality, different time. The people only had muskets, but so did the army.
Present day, the people should (and do) have the right to own fully automatic arms as well. They are heavily taxed and regulated which needs to change. As far as tanks, missiles, etc. If someone can afford it, absolutely.

I don't know what reality you live in... I am almost sure (not even going to waste time googling) that you can't own (legally) a loaded tank (otherwise it's useless), missile, etc, no matter how much money you have.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

It doesn't, but they're putting up good fights against all our technology.

Again, different reality.
Just because US soldiers couldn't "smoke" Bin Laden out of his cave over there, doesn't mean the military can't find and drag your ass out of your hidding over here in the US. Very different.

Originally Posted by Lair

Crazy is hot right now.



http://www.cbs42.com/content/localne....cspx?rss=1659

Is he the guy who played Fat Bastard in Austin Powers?

Originally Posted by Master Po

Again, different reality.
Just because US soldiers couldn't "smoke" Bin Laden out of his cave over there, doesn't mean the military can't find and drag your ass out of your hidding over here in the US. Very different.

Counterinsurgency, unfortunately, isn't as easy as just catching "bad guys"

Originally Posted by VaderDave

I think reasonable people can agree to disagree about whether or not it's a "romanticized, mythical ideal." It can be argued that part of the reason our "own, Constitutionally-based government elected by us" continues to respect the people is that it knows that it would have a hell of a fight on its hands if it decided to unilaterally strip people of their rights (from both the left and the right).

Having spent quite a bit of time with politicians over the years, I can say without a doubt that there are many, many politicians in power right now who would think nothing of stripping people of various rights (of all kinds) if they thought they could get away with it. Our governments, on all levels, are full of people who think of themselves as benevolent paternalists but who are really just power freaks.

I agree with what you said above. I'm not naive enough to trust politicians blindly.
But what you said has nothing to do with guns.
The way to defend ourselves against politicians trying to take our rights away is via peaceful protests/demonstrations and at the voting boths.
Not branding guns.

Originally Posted by Master Po

I don't know what reality you live in... I am almost sure (not even going to waste time googling) that you can't own (legally) a loaded tank (otherwise it's useless), missile, etc, no matter how much money you have.

Of course you can (and people do)

Originally Posted by Master Po

I agree with what you said above. I'm not naive enough to trust politicians blindly.
But what you said has nothing to do with guns.
The way to defend ourselves against politicians trying to take our rights away is via peaceful protests/demonstrations and at the voting boths.
Not branding guns.

I totally agree but...


And when those peaceful protests/conversations fail? What then?

peaceful protests and negotiations always work 100% of the time in every situation. politians would never take advanage of the public they are good people with good moral values and truely care for the welfare of those whom they serve

Originally Posted by JonJon

I totally agree but...


And when those peaceful protests/conversations fail? What then?

I see the difference between your way of thinking and mine.
I trust civility prevails.
You're more of a pessimist/doom's day type.
There are others that would say your way of thinking is child's play. Won't do ****.
You ever watch Preppers?
When a nuke goes off, you will die, no matter what caliber gun you're holding and despite your little flash light was sold as "tactical".
http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...sday-preppers/

Start prepping.

Originally Posted by Sentaruu

peaceful protests and negotiations always work 100% of the time in every situation. politians would never take advanage of the public they are good people with good moral values and truely care for the welfare of those whom they serve

Tell me... how many times have you shoved a gun in a politician's face to stop him from creating legislation that robs you of your powers?
Did it work?

Originally Posted by Master Po

The way to defend ourselves against politicians trying to take our rights away is via peaceful protests/demonstrations and at the voting boths.

I agree with you almost 100 percent. But I also believe that "everything works until it doesn't work." Just because everything is hunky dory right now in the US politically doesn't mean there won't come a time when grasping politicians will run roughshod over civil liberties.

Originally Posted by VaderDave

I agree with you almost 100 percent. But I also believe that "everything works until it doesn't work." Just because everything is hunky dory right now in the US politically doesn't mean there won't come a time when grasping politicians will run roughshod over civil liberties.

I concede you're made your point clearly.

Originally Posted by Master Po

Tell me... how many times have you shoved a gun in a politician's face to stop him from creating legislation that robs you of your powers?
Did it work?

The email I got in response to the reasonable, peaceful petition I signed said, in effect, "we're gonna do what we want." Apparently that didn't work too well. I guess keep trying and hope for change, right?

Note that I'm not saying violence is step two, but how long do you suffer politicians who refuse to listen to their constituencies?

Originally Posted by Master Po

I see the difference between your way of thinking and mine.
I trust civility prevails.
You're more of a pessimist/doom's day type.
There are others that would say your way of thinking is child's play. Won't do ****.
You ever watch Preppers?
When a nuke goes off, you will die, no matter what caliber gun you're holding and despite your little flash light was sold as "tactical".
http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...sday-preppers/

Start prepping.

Ridiculous analogy is ridiculous.

When a semi t-bones you at 100 mph, you will die, no matter how low and tight your seatbelt is and despite what NHTSA said about the crash rating of your car.

Does that mean you won't bother wearing a seat belt and will disregard safety ratings when car shopping?

Originally Posted by Xcelratr

Ridiculous analogy is ridiculous.

When a semi t-bones you at 100 mph, you will die, no matter how low and tight your seatbelt is and despite what NHTSA said about the crash rating of your car.

Does that mean you won't bother wearing a seat belt and will disregard safety ratings when car shopping?

nope, I'm going to make a law that says semi-trucks aren't allowed to t-bone cars.

Originally Posted by Master Po

Tell me... how many times have you shoved a gun in a politician's face to stop him from creating legislation that robs you of your powers?
Did it work?

you know as well as i do it isnt so much as an intimidation factor as it is removing those from positions of power who choose to blatantly violate your rights.

hell, look at syria

stop arguing for the sake of arguing...