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Old 12-18-2012, 03:56 AM   #41
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What exactly is this bg moa stuff? And can some one explain to me how it helps with oil loss...? Does it thicken the oil.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:14 AM   #42
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What exactly is this bg moa stuff? And can some one explain to me how it helps with oil loss...? Does it thicken the oil.
I offered a brief explanation of MOA in post #6. To recap: it is essentially ATF with other detergent additives.

The idea is that it will help clean and break up sludge or sticky components within the engine. People use MOA for a variety of reasons, including to help quiet noisy lifters (which may be sticking), as well as overall good engine health.

In the case of oil consumption, it is possible that MOA will help IF you're losing oil past the rings because they are sticking and not floating freely. Stinger's post #11 was a great overview of the purpose of each of the rings, and you can understand why they must slide freely.

But if your oil consumption is the result of some other internal issue, you probably will not experience much, if any, improvement.

So, I say again, this is certainly no cure all. I have personally experienced decent consumption improvement from my use of MOA over the last few months, and intend to continue to track it closely for more complete data. However, there is no guarantee that everybody's experience will be the same.

MOA from my dealership costs me about $12 a can (and evidently you can find it even cheaper online or buying in bulk), so its definitely worth a try IMO.

Good luck
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:17 AM   #43
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Here is the direct quote for MOA

BG MOA® prevents oxidation and thickening of engine oil under even the most severe stop-and-go, high temperature driving conditions. It fortifies all qualities of engine oil to provide superior long-lasting engine protection and helps maintain optimum engine performance. BG MOA® keeps piston ring belts, hydraulic lifters and other engine components clean to help extend engine life and reduce costs of operation. It is compatible with both synthetic and petroleum-base oils. The Thin Film Oxidation Uptake Test (TFOUT), ASTM Test Method D4742, proves BG MOA

, proves BG MOA

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:20 AM   #44
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, proves BG MOA's remarkable resistance to oxidation by more than 200% longer than six major brands of SL quality oil. At the conclusion of the API Sequence IIIF Engine Test***8218; a major brand, high-quality reference oil barely passed the 80-hour test with a viscosity increase of 255 percent. At 80 hours, another brand of oil fortified with BG MOA® had a viscosity increase of only 57 percent. At the conclusion of the triple-length, 240-hour test, it was still well within the viscosity limits with an increase of only 198 percent.

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:26 AM   #45
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What kind of speeds were you doing on the highway? Is there any relationship between speed and consumption in your experience?
My car goes through more oil the harder it is driven point blank. When I drive it carefully and at lower rpms the light comes on much later. When I get my foot in it for a little while, just know that light is coming on soon. Sad and simple but true.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:29 PM   #46
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What kind of speeds were you doing on the highway? Is there any relationship between speed and consumption in your experience?
More than likely it has something to do with the oil flow since the rpm are not shooting up all the time where as in city they are.

I was doing roughly 90km-140km ish it was a long trip so yeah
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:48 PM   #47
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I offered a brief explanation of MOA in post #6. To recap: it is essentially ATF with other detergent additives.

The idea is that it will help clean and break up sludge or sticky components within the engine. People use MOA for a variety of reasons, including to help quiet noisy lifters (which may be sticking), as well as overall good engine health.

In the case of oil consumption, it is possible that MOA will help IF you're losing oil past the rings because they are sticking and not floating freely. Stinger's post #11 was a great overview of the purpose of each of the rings, and you can understand why they must slide freely.

But if your oil consumption is the result of some other internal issue, you probably will not experience much, if any, improvement.

So, I say again, this is certainly no cure all. I have personally experienced decent consumption improvement from my use of MOA over the last few months, and intend to continue to track it closely for more complete data. However, there is no guarantee that everybody's experience will be the same.

MOA from my dealership costs me about $12 a can (and evidently you can find it even cheaper online or buying in bulk), so its definitely worth a try IMO.

Good luck
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:49 AM   #48
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I offered a brief explanation of MOA in post #6. To recap: it is essentially ATF with other detergent additives.

The idea is that it will help clean and break up sludge or sticky components within the engine. People use MOA for a variety of reasons, including to help quiet noisy lifters (which may be sticking), as well as overall good engine health.

In the case of oil consumption, it is possible that MOA will help IF you're losing oil past the rings because they are sticking and not floating freely. Stinger's post #11 was a great overview of the purpose of each of the rings, and you can understand why they must slide freely.

But if your oil consumption is the result of some other internal issue, you probably will not experience much, if any, improvement.

So, I say again, this is certainly no cure all. I have personally experienced decent consumption improvement from my use of MOA over the last few months, and intend to continue to track it closely for more complete data. However, there is no guarantee that everybody's experience will be the same.

MOA from my dealership costs me about $12 a can (and evidently you can find it even cheaper online or buying in bulk), so its definitely worth a try IMO.

Good luck
Thanks, I think ima give it a shot along with some thicker oil on my next change. Not sure if it will help or not but I guess its worth a shot...
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:55 AM   #49
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You are doing everything correctly. Very unusual!
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:14 PM   #50
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Ok I found this, looks like the best deal on ebay without having to spend over 100.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=95583400128

Is this the right stuff, #110?
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:08 PM   #51
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Ok I found this, looks like the best deal on ebay without having to spend over 100.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=95583400128

Is this the right stuff, #110?
Yup. That is the correct product

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Old 12-30-2012, 06:05 AM   #52
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I too have been using BG products for years and most techs I know swear by it. The BG guys used to do a demo at a local Ford dealership. They have a Chevy 350 up on the bed of a truck. the 350 (obviously) runs MOA in the engine. They start the engine and let it warm up and then drop the oil pan and continue to run the engine for 45 minutes. They check bearing journals with an IR gun and the temps never go much over 400 degrees... Even after 45 minutes of running with no oil in the pan.

I bought a case a few changes ago. I too have had a mysterious increase in consumption recently. I just bought Mobil 1 0W-40 to try out. I'll need to change in the next 1k miles so we'll see.

BTW... BG stands for Bearing & Gear... They started as a bearing and gear company and looked for ways to improve lubrication. It looks like they found it with MOA. I need to get some 44K also... I'm out.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:46 AM   #53
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very interesting read guys. I'll be buying MOA and 44k as well. Just waiting for CCV system to be replaced.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:37 AM   #54
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I too have been using BG products for years and most techs I know swear by it. The BG guys used to do a demo at a local Ford dealership. They have a Chevy 350 up on the bed of a truck. the 350 (obviously) runs MOA in the engine. They start the engine and let it warm up and then drop the oil pan and continue to run the engine for 45 minutes. They check bearing journals with an IR gun and the temps never go much over 400 degrees... Even after 45 minutes of running with no oil in the pan.

I bought a case a few changes ago. I too have had a mysterious increase in consumption recently. I just bought Mobil 1 0W-40 to try out. I'll need to change in the next 1k miles so we'll see.

BTW... BG stands for Bearing & Gear... They started as a bearing and gear company and looked for ways to improve lubrication. It looks like they found it with MOA. I need to get some 44K also... I'm out.
Track the consumption and update us with the results. I'll be doing the same thing. Switching to a heavier oil and adding the BG MOA. Hope to see some results.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:59 AM   #55
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I'm curious to find out the results of using BG MOA. I too have the same issue. Fill us in if you see any improvement in consumption.
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I just realized that I need to get new MOAs. My oldest can had a production date of 2006. Hmm....I hate shelf life

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I just realized that I need to get new MOAs. My oldest can had a production date of 2006. Hmm....I hate shelf life

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Probably still good. Call the manufacturer and add 50%.
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As far as I can tell. I only see people here with M54 engines. Huh.

My M52TUB28 Doesn't burn a single DROP of oil. I put in 7 quarts of oil and when I go to change it, It's still at the same spot on the dipstick.
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My M52TUB28 Doesn't burn a single DROP of oil. I put in 7 quarts of oil and when I go to change it, It's still at the same spot on the dipstick.
Nice looking car. I've always thought white was a choice color for e46's.

Lot's of us here do the same thing with oil. Expect us to be the ones who write complaints here?
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As far as I can tell. I only see people here with M54 engines. Huh.

My M52TUB28 Doesn't burn a single DROP of oil. I put in 7 quarts of oil and when I go to change it, It's still at the same spot on the dipstick.
I wouldn't say this issue is engine specific. People with the M52TU, M54 and M56 are reporting unusual oil consumption in here. The problems that cause it can happen to any engine.
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