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Old 12-23-2012, 01:02 AM   #1881
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(This might sound stupid, but; )

How fast does the android side load when you turn the unit on? And if the unit was in navi/android mode when you turned it off, will it automatically be there when you turn it back on - as if you switched a tablet off/on? Also, when you turn the car off, is the android side completely turned off (requiring it to boot every time) or does it just go to standby and pause your activities?

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I can only speculate on those at this juncture (I won't be installing mine until my rear view camera / hvac controls relocation kit come in.) but from what I have been able to surmise from watching videos / reading reviews / etc, I'd bet it boots into the "Radio" mode, and that the Android side turns completely off when it shuts down, requiring it to boot back up after you start the car. I don't know, though. Standby would be a much better option, so I'm holding out a little hope, but I would be a bit surprised if that were the case. Since it's Android, though, if it's rootable we might be able to use Tasker to ignore whatever it's doing to shut it off / have it do something else.

Sorry that I'm not of more help right now.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:09 PM   #1882
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After reading 80% of this thread I convinced myself to buy the B146 unit from Shenzen. The unit arrived yesterday, Christmas eve so it's my Christmas gift to myself. Can't wait to install it in the next few days.

I must say, dealing with Shenzen and in particular Jolly was an absolute pleasure. I found her very approachable and answered my emails in very quick time ( some of the customer service people here in Australia should take a note out of her book). Can not say one bad thing about my experience.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread and sowing the seed for my desire to get one of these units.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:10 AM   #1883
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After reading 80% of this thread I convinced myself to buy the B146 unit from Shenzen. The unit arrived yesterday, Christmas eve so it's my Christmas gift to myself. Can't wait to install it in the next few days.

I must say, dealing with Shenzen and in particular Jolly was an absolute pleasure. I found her very approachable and answered my emails in very quick time ( some of the customer service people here in Australia should take a note out of her book). Can not say one bad thing about my experience.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread and sowing the seed for my desire to get one of these units.
Post some pictures of the install, debating between this and the dynavin
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:37 AM   #1884
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Post some pictures of the install, debating between this and the dynavin
Are you planning on doing the install yourself?

In my opinion, calling the Enco B046 a "Dynavin Clone", as the title represents, is a bit disingenuous. All signs point to it being, quite literally, the OEM part the Dynavin is based on. Paying a premium for a Dynavin-branded radio may get you better, native English-speaking customer service, and potentially better warranty support, but I believe the actual hardware will be the same.

If you're comfortable performing the installation yourself, I see no compelling reason to go with the Dynavin "brand" over the OEM part.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:51 AM   #1885
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Thanks for supporting the site sponsors. Look closely at the pics of the units, the plugs, etc... they are clearly different hardware. The units in this thread are competing different product.

It's about more than basic hardware anyway....vehicle integration is critical and getting all of that right is important.

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Old 12-26-2012, 11:44 AM   #1886
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Are you planning on doing the install yourself?

In my opinion, calling the Enco B046 a "Dynavin Clone", as the title represents, is a bit disingenuous. All signs point to it being, quite literally, the OEM part the Dynavin is based on. Paying a premium for a Dynavin-branded radio may get you better, native English-speaking customer service, and potentially better warranty support, but I believe the actual hardware will be the same.

If you're comfortable performing the installation yourself, I see no compelling reason to go with the Dynavin "brand" over the OEM part.
As Jeff said from Dynavin, these are different units with different proprietary software and hardware. What compelling evidence do you have to show they are the same units?

Read the entire thread on these units and also look into other forums I've mentioned here. A person who buys this takes on the responsibility with all issues associated with the product.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:52 AM   #1887
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Thanks for supporting the site sponsors. Look closely at the pics of the units, the plugs, etc... they are clearly different hardware. The units in this thread are competing different product.

It's about more than basic hardware anyway....vehicle integration is critical and getting all of that right is important.
While I do appreciate your financial sponsorship of the forum, I have no delusions it's based in opportunity rather than benevolence.

I have no allegiance with you, nor any other sponsors of the forum; my allegiance is with fellow members. I don't post here to hurt your feelings, start a fight, or deny you a customer base.

If there's a better place for me to post my opinions about the "Enco B046" than in the thread "Enco B046 - Dynavin Clone", I'm all ears.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:14 PM   #1888
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As Jeff said from Dynavin, these are different units with different proprietary software and hardware. What compelling evidence do you have to show they are the same units?

Read the entire thread on these units and also look into other forums I've mentioned here. A person who buys this takes on the responsibility with all issues associated with the product.
This is the correct way to look at it. It seems over the last few pages that these posters have missed much of what happened in the middle of this thread....I thought this thread would die based on all the bad experiences but it seems they have been buried in this giant thread! I think some very important info is being pushed back a few pages and the bad stuff that happened only a couple months ago is going to end up costing some fanatics in the future....

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While I do appreciate your financial sponsorship of the forum, I have no delusions it's based in opportunity rather than benevolence.

I have no allegiance with you, nor any other sponsors of the forum; my allegiance is with fellow members. I don't post here to hurt your feelings, start a fight, or deny you a customer base.

If there's a better place for me to post my opinions about the "Enco B046" than in the thread "Enco B046 - Dynavin Clone", I'm all ears.
This isnt about hurting anyone's feelings or starting fights. There is A LOT of misinformation on these forums both about these units AND the dynavin units. I was pointing out that your post was incorrect, the units are not the same, not really even similar.

From what I have seen the Enco and the other units by different names would be more accurately called Hualingan clones, all the pics I have seen show that they appear to be the similar to the Hualingan units from a couple years ago. Those units existed alongside the early dynavin units, they were not copies, they were a competing product. But for all the reasons mentioned in this thread they failed. Dynavin kept going, and now the enco units have shown up looking similar so the story repeats itself......I posted about this early in this thread but I would not blame anyone for not reading a 100+ page thread....

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Old 12-26-2012, 12:21 PM   #1889
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This is the correct way to look at it. It seems over the last few pages that these posters have missed much of what happened in the middle of this thread....I thought this would die based on all the bad experiences but it seems they have been buried in this giant thread!



This isnt about hurting anyones feelings or starting fights. There is A LOT of misinformation on these forums both about these units AND the dynavin units. I was pointing out that your post was incorrect, the units are not the same, not really even similar.

From what I have seen the Enco and the other units by different names would be more accurately called Hualingan clones as all the pics I have seen show that they appear to be the similar as the Hualingan units from a couple years ago. Those units existed alongside the early dynavin units, they were not copies, they were a competing product. But for all the reasons mentioned in this thread they failed. Dynavin kept going, and now the enco units have shown up looking similar so the story repeats itself......I posted about this early in this thread but I would not blame anyone for not reading a 100+ page thread....
I've read the entire thread, and as a whole, you're correct in that it's mucked up with misinformation. It is also just as rife with speculation, and I admit that I've added to that, but I preface this speculation with indicative phrases such as, "I believe" and "in my opinion" in the same way you've said, "from what I have seen."

It would do everyone in this thread a great service if you'd post a 6 side view of the Dynavin D99+ for the E46. I would love to compare and contrast with the latest Enco model, so we can spot all of the differences. At the very least, those differences would put to rest any delusions anyone has that they're identical hardware, no?
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:33 PM   #1890
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Ok, here you go:

Enco pic, page 1 of this thread, note back pic in the upper right.




Back of a dynavin D99+, completely different layout, dynaivn has USBs and antennas on "pigtails", heat sink instead of a fan.




Dynavin DVD circuit board, note Dynavin logo and part number:



Dynavin main board, note Dynavin logo and part number:





ALSO, besides being obviously different behind the scenes, the faces themselves are different, note the "bars" between the buttons on the enco. To say they are the same hardware when they dont even look or operate the same is simply incorrect.

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Old 12-26-2012, 01:27 PM   #1891
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i commute between new york and Massachusetts every week, tempted to get one!

has anyone received the latest android 4.0 unit? does it solve previous problems?

also mine is a 2001 330ci with HK. i believe i do need an LOC. but do i need any antenna adapters and how many? some says pre 02 HUs have two antenna connectors and one must be blocked?

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Old 12-26-2012, 04:05 PM   #1892
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Ok, here you go:
Thanks for posting those pics. That helps tremendously.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:03 PM   #1893
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i was told by Jolly that if my amp is in the trunk (HK) I need an extension cable. is it easy to wire?
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:29 AM   #1894
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Received my b046 latest specs today so total delay between paypal and delivery is 13 days, not bad.

I'll install tomorrow or the day after and let you guys know what happens.
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:21 AM   #1895
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jchuillier Did you pay any customs?

Please, post some pics from the installation if you can.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:19 AM   #1896
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35 euros out of $100 declaration, i think DHL are charging VAT no matter what...

It was not customs duties but VAT...
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:47 PM   #1897
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I was able to get the unit installed today, and so far so good.

The only issue that I have right now is AM/FM radio reception. When hooked up to the factory antenna, I get terrible reception. I get the same reception with the FAKRA connector from the adapter as I do with it connected. If I connect a normal AM/FM antenna to the back of the radio, everything comes in great. I have suspicions that the antenna amplifier is not getting properly powered, but I haven't had a chance to really dig into that, yet. My car is a 2004, and from what I've read here on the forums, it's not supposed to require a switched power input to the antenna amp. I may be misinterpreting what I'm reading, however.

Things I know:
1. Factory radio had great AM/FM reception via factory antenna.
2. Enco radio has no reception via factory antenna.
3. Enco radio has great AM/FM reception via aftermarket antenna.
4. I'm not going to bolt an aftermarket antenna on my car.

As far as the Android portion of it goes, I'm pretty satisfied thus far. There are quite a few tweaks I am making, to make it function more like the setup I use in my other vehicle, but so far, things are all working well. No issues with WIFI, and GPS is working perfectly, using double-sided tape to affix the antenna to the top rear of the radio. I had planned on testing it temporarily in that location, and relocating it to the top of the dash if it required better reception, but so far it's working fine this way. The sound quality is a bit better than the factory radio, as well, so that is a bonus.

Overall I'd give it about a 75% satisfaction rating, mostly due to the fact that the factory antenna didn't work right off the bat...but that seems to be more a lack of understanding on my part rather than any sort of design flaw on Enco's.
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#PainBreak The sound quality is a bit better than the factory radio? Do you have HK- 10 speaker system or normal 4 speaker?
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#PainBreak The sound quality is a bit better than the factory radio? Do you have HK- 10 speaker system or normal 4 speaker?
I'm not 100% familiar with the speaker options, but I have three speakers in each front door, so I assume it's the 10 speaker option.

The perceived sound quality improvement is at least in part due to having more EQ options than simply "bass" and "treble."

--- (this is incorrect)
One thing I did notice is that the EQ / Loudness options do not affect the Android side. It appears to control only the EQ/Loudness of the Radio/Aux/TV/Whatever side. There are EQ options for Android, (I am using Subsonic to play my media from a server, which has a built-in EQ) so you can find ways to adjust the sound output to your liking.
---(this is incorrect)

Edit: After switching music_gps to "Off" on the main menu, Android sound comes out of every speaker, and the radio's EQ settings work on the Android sound. It sounds awesome.

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