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Old 01-04-2013, 02:12 PM   #21
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The post wasn't aimed at "blaming liberals" from the get go...


I am simply amazed that the "typical libs"...
You're a riot.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:15 PM   #22
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Just accept the fact that it doesn't matter WHAT happens. There are people on this forum, MSNBC, and all over that will just roll over like pigs in sh*t. During the election, they argued Romney wouldn't look out for the poor and the working class and would simply protect the rich... Obama wins and, under Boehner's watch, congress passes legislation that shafts the middle class the hardest and the liberal response is "well we need to do this".

It's worse than hypocrisy.. it's flat out celebrated ignorance. The one who yells nonsense the loudest (chris matthews) gets the tv program.
Fixed.

Thank you, Boehner and Co. in Congress. @$$holes.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:37 PM   #23
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I'm neither celebrating nor decrying the expiration of the Payroll Tax Cut. Neither party contested it. I don't know what the big issue is.
Big issue is Obama ran on the platform that the greedy wealthy people will cover the bill to ensure the real engine of this economy known as the middle class has no new taxes and plenty of money to help push us through.



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Fully agree.I've said for a long time I'm fine with a tax increase if we decrease spending.. a combined approach is the only way to fix this.

Instead, we're basically being asked to give more so they can spend more of our money recklessly.
Yup, don't care how it happened or why. Bottom line, my taxes have gone up 2K.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:46 PM   #25
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Congratulation Obama supporters... we all now have roughly 2k less in our pockets fiscal year 2013
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:53 PM   #27
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Big issue is Obama ran on the platform that the greedy wealthy people will cover the bill to ensure the real engine of this economy known as the middle class has no new taxes and plenty of money to help push us through.
Social Security tax rate of 4.2% was never intended to be permanent. Reinstating it to 6.2% is nothing new. You pretend as if we didn't see this coming. This entire debate reminds me of employees who became comfortable consistently earning overtime. Their lifestyles adjusted to the extra income and then they became dependent on it. During the economic downturn in 2008/2009, they were told they could no longer work extra hours and thus their ability to earn overtime disappeared. Suddenly they found themselves in the red.

Americans got too comfortable with the temporary measure intended to help them that their life style adapted to the extra income. As a result, they became dependent.

It's time to readjust and be responsible. If you don't like paying 6.2%, then demand from your representatives and President a social security system that either costs less or tell them to find the extra money to fund it else where. Whether that's cutting new programs or raising other taxes, so be it.
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some people still dont understand the difference between a new tax vs letting an old tax cut expire
Some people actually believe in adding tax breaks to the deficit. Can you believe that?
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Congratulation Obama supporters... we all now have roughly 2k less in our pockets fiscal year 2013
We would love to take credit, but I think it would be unfair to John Boehner
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Congratulation Obama supporters... we all now have roughly 2k less in our pockets fiscal year 2013
I have no issues in raising taxes to pay off our debt. Taxing the rich, alone, isnt going to pay it off. We cannot afford to keep borrowing money. Now the govt has to cut spending as well.

And just FYI, on a historical note, I believe IIRC taxes went up after major wars to pay off our expenditures.

Lastly, as previously mentioned, we were on a "tax holiday". This means taxes were previously higher to begin with. So this shouldn't be surprising or something new. Bush granted tax breaks, payroll tax breaks, etc. If we need to reinstate previous tax rates, so be it.

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Some people actually believe in adding tax breaks to the deficit. Can you believe that?
I was going to post this, only a compete idiot counts lowering taxes as spending.
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Explain.

BHO claims the middle class is the one who needs the most help, yet the tax increase burdens them the greatest.
ZOMG, you mean to tell me that a government do good policy actually did the exact opposite?! Say it aint so!
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:37 PM   #34
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2012 : Celebrate Obama's core campaign message of X
2013 : Celebrate legislation passed under Obama's eyes that results in complete opposite of X

The ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

For a liberal to celebrate Obama's core campaign message, they MUST believe that this fiscal cliff legislation is immensely flawed. If anything, the legislation that was passed should put a smile on my face and a frown on yours. Instead, I inform the E46 audience and we find the liberals celebrating it... and all because it's tied to Obama.

This legislation is an immense F*CK YOU to everyone that voted Obama last year.

So f*cking amusing.
Im personally glad. Let those that are poor and in the middle take a hit. Let the idiots that voted him in learn. Let those that bought into his lies lose their house. Let the little money in their bank accounts turn to nothing. This is the only way people will learn, when their own skin gets burned.
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Social Security tax rate of 4.2% was never intended to be permanent. Reinstating it to 6.2% is nothing new. You pretend as if we didn't see this coming. This entire debate reminds me of employees who became comfortable consistently earning overtime. Their lifestyles adjusted to the extra income and then they became dependent on it. During the economic downturn in 2008/2009, they were told they could no longer work extra hours and thus their ability to earn overtime disappeared. Suddenly they found themselves in the red.

Americans got too comfortable with the temporary measure intended to help them that their life style adapted to the extra income. As a result, they became dependent.

It's time to readjust and be responsible. If you don't like paying 6.2%, then demand from your representatives and President a social security system that either costs less or tell them to find the extra money to fund it else where. Whether that's cutting new programs or raising other taxes, so be it.
I completely agree and understand. With that being said, taxes have been raised on everyone. The cause and reasoning behind that raise is moot as it is a direct contradiction to what was promised to the American people by the potus. Of course unless I'm missing the fine print here where Obama put his hand over the mic and said "except for the SS payroll tax"?

To further your example of employees gaining temporary overtime - that is a good example for a consistelty dynamic hourly employee. I believe a more accurate example would be employees were told starting the first of the year for the next 4 years, you will be guaranteed overtime and do not worry about not getting overtime because rest assured you will get the overtime.

It is open enrollment now for pre taxed 401K. I made some adjustments to my contributions which will lessen the amount of federal taxes I pay to offset the increased taxes I pay to SS. For me it is a wash and I have added funds into investments. In a sense, less money I will spend on frivolous items which help boost the economy.

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I was going to post this, only a compete idiot counts lowering taxes as spending.
Democrats love to spin this.
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Sucks that Boner & the other republithugs wouldn't allow Obama to institute his plan.

And a big fat to the idiots ITT that are complaining because Obama let the payroll tax tax cut HE GAVE THEM expire.
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And a big fat to the idiots ITT that are complaining because Obama let the payroll tax tax cut HE GAVE THEM expire.
Some of which that say Obamacare is the reason why businesses are presently going out of business, yet the majority of Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.

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Sucks that Boner & the other republithugs wouldn't allow Obama to institute his plan.

And a big fat to the idiots ITT that are complaining because Obama let the payroll tax tax cut HE GAVE THEM expire.
Thanks for clearing that up Lairtard... For a little bit I actually thought my SS Payroll taxes were higher this year than last year.
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What does Obama have to do with anything? Democrats AND Republicans came up with this plan and Obama just signed it because ANYTHING was better than going over the fiscal cliff...
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What does Obama have to do with anything? Democrats AND Republicans came up with this plan and Obama just signed it because ANYTHING was better than going over the fiscal cliff...
I google imaged fiscal cliff but couldn't find it. Seems to me it's just a made up cliff. I'd love to drive my jeep to it.
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