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Old 01-08-2013, 01:11 AM   #101
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Yeah, fvcking brilliant, as though the pilot shortage won't be bad enough, let's kill off one of the last lines of work people still come to this country for. Already they up the minimum hours, make it prohibitively expensive to do anything but get paid **** being a regional pilot, and now this. If they want to start designing systems that can integrate UAV traffic in with GA, then it should be coming out of the pockets of the UAV operators, not the common pilot, same with restructuring airline routes, why should anyone other than the airlines bear the costs affiliated with its implementation?


****'s got me livid.
Because pilots are all obviously rich and can afford it. More class warfare nonsense. Pretty sad... I need to find a private airport community. Thats part of my requirements when finding a place to move when I finally get out of California.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:33 AM   #102
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Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:49 AM   #103
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Tell him there is a reason we call motorcycle riders organ donors in the hospital.

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Old 01-08-2013, 05:52 AM   #104
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I love when people say motorcycles aren't dangerous. That's like saying jumping off a building isn't dangerous, it's the landing that kills you.

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Old 01-08-2013, 07:58 AM   #105
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Edit: I see you are from Canada, which probably means no one else is on the road when you are.
You mean: "I see you are from Canada, I forgot they actually teach people how to drive before they give them their license there"
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:03 AM   #106
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You mean: "I see you are from Canada, I forgot they actually teach people how to drive before they give them their license there"
yup....it's sad to see some people behind the wheel that have absolutely no business being there. they shouldn't even be allowed to walk outside. getting a license in the US is a joke , like a lot things.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:07 AM   #107
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I'm a bit split on this. If I were you I wouldn't want to use fear to prevent my son from doing something. My parents tried it with me. My mom would have gone crazy if I had told her I want to get a motorcycle. So I didn't tell her. I went out, got a bike, got gear and showed up one day at their door step. She didn't talk to me for a week.

I think part of the reason why I got it was to prove to myself that their fears are not my own. Keep in mind, this is at 28.

That said, 18 year olds are reckless and think they're invincible. But like anything (sex, alcohol), promoting safe practices is a lot better than trying to force abstinence. Talk to your seen, dig into his reasons why he wants one. Check out the new rider thread and good luck to both of you!
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:08 AM   #108
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Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.
Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.

Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.

Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.

Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.

Buy two track bikes one for you and one for him. Tell him he can only do track days on the bike. No riding on the street what so ever? Would be good fun for you two.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:18 AM   #109
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Also, show him this portion from Sebastian Junger's "War" and tell him to prove it wrong. It talks about a willingness to take risks in young men:

"They are killed in accidents and homicides at a rate of 106 per 100,000 per year, roughly five times the rate of young women. Statistically, it's six times as dangerous to spend a year as a young man in America than as a cop or a fireman, and vastly more dangerous than a one-year deployment at a big military base in Afghanistan. You'd have to go to a remote firebase like the KOP or Camp Blessing to find a level of risk that surpasses that of simply being an adolescent male back home."

I'm still for your son getting a bike, but you should talk to him about being safe. How would he feel about deploying to the shittiest outposts in Afghanistan?
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I know how your kid feels, Im 20 years old and want a motorcycle as well. Even though I've technically had one already (brother allowed me access when he was on tour), I've been itching for one on my own. The one time i pitched the idea to my mother on aiding me on the purchase of dirt cheap harley, she said no. I didn't bitch, It was worth a shot. Now im working on my own to pay for something that is ESSENTIALLY A TOY.

Yes, motorcycles are dangerous. BUT so is everything else in life.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:02 AM   #111
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:14 AM   #112
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It really depends on the character of your son, but i think most people wont be mature enough not till around 24
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Yes, motorcycles are dangerous. BUT so is everything else in life.
That's such a stupid statement. Jumping off a cliff w no safety equipment and walking across the road both carry risks but they carry very different risks.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:23 PM   #114
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Really man, let go. Motorcycles are dangerous, but so is everything else in life.


Remind your son not to wear seat belts in cars, because hey... everything else in life is dangerous. Same goes for wearing condoms, heroin and mugging people.

Sure... you could die, get an STD or end up in jail. But maybe... just maybe... he won't. Because let's face it... life is dangerous. Because when did context or relativity ever matter in life?
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:15 PM   #115
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What you're seeing in my 'over reaction' is the effect of my knowing the risks and loving my son.

But, based on your post, I think I need to react less and hopefully have a son that stays off them forever...as fun as they are.
Just keep in mind there are risks with everything that he does. Including driving a car.

It took me a long time to convince my parents I had enough self control for anything more than 200hp. Their counter-arguement of course was "why do you need it?"...took a while to think of something good to respond with other than "so I can keep up with my friends".

But like I said, I would just comfort him on a bike and help him as much as you can. Because I really doubt that he'll stay off a bike forever. You may as well be around and watch/help him get his first few rides in, make sure he knows what he's doing, offer to pay for safety school/equipment (gloves, jacket, helmet...make sure he's not one of this kids in t-shirts and shorts). Maybe even convince him to take part in a bike forum, there are plenty of those and most of them preach to safe riding as much as Mango preaches to coolant overhauls on here.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:16 PM   #116
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I agree with you Dmax, bikes are dangerous. That being said, ive been riding for 4 years now. I started when I was 16 years old. My parents never wanted me on one, but eventually they bought me one. Both of my parents used to ride when they lived in Dominican Republic....and have gone down. So they know the risks. They told me aboit the risks. Ive seen hundreds of videos of bikers getting in pretty serious accidents. I know what I got myself into. And I accepted the danger risks of being a biker. Im 20 years old & went down on my first bike at 17 years old. I broke my collar bone(thank god im alive). While healing I managed to fix my bike and get back on after about a month of healing. You have to face your fears. I wasnt letting thg at accident destroy my love for riding. Maybe if the accident was worse, I might have stopped riding.

Your son has to know about all of the factors/dangers that could happen while riding. He has to think about what he'll do if he gets hurt and cant work, pay bills, attend classes, etc. I know myself I will be screwed if I get hurt. I have too many bills to pay lol.

But I.do agree with the safety course. I took that as well and learned alot! & they lower your insurance with the certification.

Im sure he's a smart kid, tell him to do his research. If not now, he'll eventually get one.

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I'm a bit split on this. If I were you I wouldn't want to use fear to prevent my son from doing something. My parents tried it with me. My mom would have gone crazy if I had told her I want to get a motorcycle. So I didn't tell her. I went out, got a bike, got gear and showed up one day at their door step. She didn't talk to me for a week.

I think part of the reason why I got it was to prove to myself that their fears are not my own. Keep in mind, this is at 28.

That said, 18 year olds are reckless and think they're invincible. But like anything (sex, alcohol), promoting safe practices is a lot better than trying to force abstinence. Talk to your seen, dig into his reasons why he wants one. Check out the new rider thread and good luck to both of you!
You took the words right out of my mouth. However, I was 18 when I did that, and they eventually were ok when they realized how serious I was about staying safe. Wearing a helmet, good jacket, gloves, etc, and obeying traffic laws will do wonders.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:16 PM   #120
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You have your hands full... not only with your son, but with all the conflicting opinions on here. I won't comment on any of the bickering points, but I'll give you advice specifically on what you asked... how do you stop him from riding? Obviously you can't stop him if he's determined, but here is what I would do if I were in your position.

Don't tell him it's dangerous... that's ineffective. Make him understand that it's dangerous. There are plenty of graphic photos and videos of fatal accidents. There are plenty of videos of motorcycle mishaps on youtube. Also tell him to check out the local bike forum to see how often people die on bay area roads. And finally, tell him to read this story to show him it isn't just about him... his choice and his well-being/death has a very real impact on loved ones. He might be willing to risk his safety, but is he willing to put his family through the pain of his loss or injury? While you're at it, maybe your wife should check some of that out as well.

Basically if he still wants to ride after all of that, there's not a whole lot you can do. If he truly understands the danger involved and is willing to put loved ones through that, it's his choice.

PM me if you need further assistance or advice. I won't be returning to this thread. Good luck.
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