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Old 01-10-2013, 02:33 AM   #1941
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So let's summarize a bit for the new version

1) BT is OK on the radio side (for phone handsfree for example) but unconfirmed on android side (for live OBD for example), if someone has a working BT dongle for android can we know which brand model and chipset ?
2) Wifi is OK on the android side with the provided dongle
3) GPS is locked in mph on the android side, we need enco to either reload the new file that painbreak has sent them or better, give us root so that we can play.
4) About the root, can we go the hard way and force flash the proper files ? Maybe even with an eprom burner or whatever....

If there's more info I'll edit the post and add details.

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Old 01-10-2013, 06:48 AM   #1942
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-The steering wheel controls work; however I am having some issues where they can be unresponsive at times. It may just be an installation issue. I'm going to check this next time i have the dash pulled apart.

-The only issue I had is that the Enco initially could not see my iphone wifi hotspot because the ssid had an " ' " in it. I changed the name and it's been working great since.

-There is no bluetooth on the Android side of the unit. Apparently you can use a usb hub (because there is only 1 port which is used by the wifi adapter) and a micro bluetooth adaptor and it should work. I've ordered both and will report back once I install them. There is bluetooth on the radio side and it works fine for bluetooth audio streaming and phone calls.
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So let's summarize a bit for the new version

1) BT is OK on the radio side (for phone handsfree for example) but unconfirmed on android side (for live OBD for example), if someone has a working BT dongle for android can we know which brand model and chipset ?
2) Wifi is OK on the android side with the provided dongle
3) GPS is locked in mph on the android side, we need enco to either reload the new file that painbreak has sent them or better, give us root so that we can play.
4) About the root, can we go the hard way and force flash the proper files ? Maybe even with an eprom burner or whatever....

If there's more info I'll edit the post and add details.

Thanks
Cheers guys. Great to hear feedback on the new unit.

In terms of installation guides and relocating elements of the dash, do you have any step by step links?

Thanks.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:15 AM   #1943
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Cheers guys. Great to hear feedback on the new unit.

In terms of installation guides and relocating elements of the dash, do you have any step by step links?

Thanks.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:23 AM   #1944
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Hi there can you confirm if the steering wheel controls work on both the radio side and the Android side?
Yes, they work on both sides.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:29 AM   #1945
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Yes, they work on both sides.
Can you confirm as to what level of functionality the steering controls on the Android side allow?
Can you for instance control the next previous track on a given media player like PowerAmp?

Would one of you guys be able to put together a video or review with pics of the unit?
I'd love to see how both the radio side looks as well as how the Android O/S looks and performs, i'd also like to see how google maps/Nav looks on the unit.
I will be comparing directly against a Dynavin D99+ unit.

Thanks!

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Old 01-10-2013, 03:11 PM   #1946
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Can you confirm as to what level of functionality the steering controls on the Android side allow?
Can you for instance control the next previous track on a given media player like PowerAmp?

Would one of you guys be able to put together a video or review with pics of the unit?
I'd love to see how both the radio side looks as well as how the Android O/S looks and performs, i'd also like to see how google maps/Nav looks on the unit.
I will be comparing directly against a Dynavin D99+ unit.

Thanks!
The steering wheel controls don't control anything on the Android side, but since Android's audio is routed through the audio input for the "Main Amp / Radio" side, you can adjust the volume from the steering wheel controls. In fact, that's the only place you should be adjusting the volume. Android's volume should be set at somewhere between 3/4 and max, and never touched again.

But no, the steering wheel controls only map to the "Main" side of the unit.

If you can picture in your head how it is all connected, it really helps to understand the limitations of, and the benefits of the setup. Let's compare the B046 to a home theater system.

The TV is the Touch Screen Display
The Tuner/Amp is the "Radio" side.
The Blu-Ray/DVD player is the "Android" side.

Blu-Ray/DVD-->Tuner/Amp-->TV
Android-->Radio-->Touch Screen

You can't change the channel on your TV from the front of your Tuner/Amp. But you can change the radio station.

Sorry that I haven't had a chance to check on the iGo stuff yet, rflail. I fell victim to a window regulator failure yesterday.

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Old 01-10-2013, 04:42 PM   #1947
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If you can picture in your head how it is all connected, it really helps to understand the limitations of, and the benefits of the setup. Let's compare the B046 to a home theater system.

The TV is the Touch Screen Display
The Tuner/Amp is the "Radio" side.
The Blu-Ray/DVD player is the "Android" side.

Blu-Ray/DVD-->Tuner/Amp-->TV
Android-->Radio-->Touch Screen

You can't change the channel on your TV from the front of your Tuner/Amp. But you can change the radio station.

Sorry that I haven't had a chance to check on the iGo stuff yet, rflail. I fell victim to a window regulator failure yesterday.
Ok so it sounds like it works the same as my Dynavin D99 so no biggie there.
What I'm interested to know:
  • Does the audio cut out when reverse gear is engaged or does the audio just become lower?
  • What is the Bluetooth call quality like?
  • What does the 'radio' side looks like in terms of menu's etc?
  • Can the unit be set to boot from the Android side or does the user have to manually press a key when the unit has loaded (like the Dynavin units).
  • How long does it take the unit to boot up and how long does the Android side take to boot?
  • Is there a restart, reset or reboot option for the Android side?
  • How much storage space does the Android side have?
  • Does the Android side support USB host mode I.E. can we use usb ODB adaptors with Torque etc?
  • How stable does the Android 4 O/S seem?

Sorry for all the questions but these are the kind of things that may sway me over from the Dynavin units
Would absolutely love a video review, even if it was just the video of how it looks etc
Thanks folks!

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Old 01-10-2013, 10:40 PM   #1948
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Ok so it sounds like it works the same as my Dynavin D99 so no biggie there.
What I'm interested to know:
  • Does the audio cut out when reverse gear is engaged or does the audio just become lower?
    Not sure. I haven't installed my reverse camera yet.
  • What is the Bluetooth call quality like?
    Every so often there might be a pop, but my wife says it sounds the same while driving down the road as it does just talking on a normal cell phone, so I'd rate the quality pretty well. No issues so far.
  • What does the 'radio' side looks like in terms of menu's etc?
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  • Can the unit be set to boot from the Android side or does the user have to manually press a key when the unit has loaded (like the Dynavin units).
    Nope. The Android side works in the exact same fashion as does the Dynavin units.
  • How long does it take the unit to boot up and how long does the Android side take to boot?
    5 seconds for the Radio side, 30-45s for the Android side.
  • Is there a restart, reset or reboot option for the Android side?
    Not yet. Need to be root to issue a restart command.
  • How much storage space does the Android side have?
    4GB internal, and a microSD slot. Not sure the limit but mine came with a 4GB card.
  • Does the Android side support USB host mode I.E. can we use usb ODB adaptors with Torque etc?
    At this point, it *only* supports USB host mode, but you'll be limited to devices which have a driver built into the kernel. They built in the wifi driver for the particular dongle that they ship with it. USB mouse works fine, since it's a standard HID device. Some custom OBD dongle? Probably not going to work, until we can build a new kernel for this system. But it might... Don't know until you plug it in.
  • How stable does the Android 4 O/S seem?
    No issues at all with stability.

Sorry for all the questions but these are the kind of things that may sway me over from the Dynavin units
Would absolutely love a video review, even if it was just the video of how it looks etc
Thanks folks!
I answered some of your questions above.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:14 AM   #1949
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I concur with PainBreak regarding the boot times and android stability.

One thing I've noticed is that the EQ settings on the radio side have no effect on the audio outputted from the android side. When listening to audio on the android side it only comes out of the front right and left speakers. Am I missing some setting on the android side to control this?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:49 AM   #1950
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Ok, installed mine today but didn't have time for tests.

1) No sound whatsoever, I just used the long cable to connect to the back of the car, so the BM54 module is unplugged and unused. Am I missing something there ? I have the connector with all the RCA plugs connected but nothing plugged to the RCA wires.
2) I can't get DTV to scan for channels
3) GPS works perfectly, Igo runs smoothly, it does not remember the settings though.
4) I can't get the radio BT to go into search mode to connect to my phone.

I'll play with it more tomorrow and report back
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:50 AM   #1951
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I concur with PainBreak regarding the boot times and android stability.

One thing I've noticed is that the EQ settings on the radio side have no effect on the audio outputted from the android side. When listening to audio on the android side it only comes out of the front right and left speakers. Am I missing some setting on the android side to control this?
Does the android side send the output to the front RCA outs as well as the amplified speaker outs?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:51 AM   #1952
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Thanks lads, PainBreak in relation to the sound cutting out when reverse is selected, if it is like the Dynavin it will do this whether a reverse camera is installed or not.
Unless a user is using the latest Dynavin D99+, when reverse gear is selected the Dynavin units cut the sound which I found really annoying.
Wondering does the Enco do the same?
Could you check this on both the Radio and Android side by any chance please?
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:22 AM   #1953
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Ok, installed mine today but didn't have time for tests.

I can't answer a lot of these obviously as I don't own one but just on points 3and 4:

3) GPS works perfectly, Igo runs smoothly, it does not remember the settings though. How come some of the other guys are having issues with the GPS incorrectly reporting in knotts? I wonder does this mean there might be different versions of the software stack out??
4) I can't get the radio BT to go into search mode to connect to my phone.
From my experience with Dynavin units to pair the bluetooth I would have to get the phone to search for the Dynavin unit and pair from there. Perhaps the Enco is the same??
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:36 AM   #1954
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Thanks for the tip on the BT, I'll try that tomorrow.

I'll also play more with the GPS, it was ok in my city going to school to pick my son but I didn't go very fast so perhaps the correction between kts and kph would have been unnoticed...

More to come tomorrow.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:28 PM   #1955
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I concur with PainBreak regarding the boot times and android stability.

One thing I've noticed is that the EQ settings on the radio side have no effect on the audio outputted from the android side. When listening to audio on the android side it only comes out of the front right and left speakers. Am I missing some setting on the android side to control this?
On the "radio" side go to the settings menu, by clicking the gear icon and find the gps-music setting and turn it to "off." With that setting on, the Android side only comes out of the front, and the radio comes out of the back, and plays over the top of the android side. Turning that setting to off also makes the EQ settings and loud setting apply to the android side as well.

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Old 01-11-2013, 04:46 PM   #1956
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Ok, installed mine today but didn't have time for tests.

1) No sound whatsoever, I just used the long cable to connect to the back of the car, so the BM54 module is unplugged and unused. Am I missing something there ? I have the connector with all the RCA plugs connected but nothing plugged to the RCA wires.
Not sure here. Sounds like you don't have any audio cables connected, but I don't have the factory navigation, so I didn't use a long cable.
2) I can't get DTV to scan for channels[/b]
No idea... I'm in the US, so we have ATSC rendering this part useless.
3) GPS works perfectly, Igo runs smoothly, it does not remember the settings though.
Try using Google Navigation. Also, GPS Test should come pre-loaded. Run GPS Test, and drive around. A box on the right will tell you your current speed. It will be wrong, likely 1.825x your actual speed
4) I can't get the radio BT to go into search mode to connect to my phone.
It should always be in available mode. Use your phone to connect to it, instead. It will show up as "Car Kit" The password is either 1234 or 0000.
I'll play with it more tomorrow and report back
Best of luck

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Old 01-12-2013, 07:34 AM   #1957
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ok, 1 at a time

So for the audio thing do you connect the rca wires coming out of the unit (with the white connector) to the car or are they just left dangling there ? I understand that you have a front BMW radio system but do you have like 27 RCA inputs on the BMW system to connect the RCA cables to ?

Basically in my standard BMW system unit I have the big navigation box in the front with 1 blue and 1 white connector linked to a loom which is going back and plugged partly in the BM54 radio module and partly in the amplifier (the loom splits when arriving in the trunk).

I understand the "sound" from the BM54 radio which sits in the trunk does not need to come forward in the navigation/display unit but the sound from the front CD (because there is also the CD charger in the back) does go from the big front box (navi+cd) to the back and the amp

So my theory is to use the existing BMW loom between front and read to send the sound from the to the amp, right ?

Or do I need Charles to send me a "front RCA to back amp" long cable ?

On the black enco connector which plugs into the 046 I have 16 wires with 2 green, 2 brown, 2 purple and 2 white so for me it should match the 4 channels outputs (FR, FL, RR and RL) but still no sound....weird...

One possible explanation is that I have a single blue wire with an "AMP CTRL" label on it, what is it supposed to do ? I only had the user manual but no installation manual...

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Old 01-14-2013, 04:31 AM   #1958
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Folks one question do the Enco unit(s) come with a new bracket to install like the Dynavin units do or do they slide straight into the OEM bracket harness?
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:39 AM   #1959
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It goes straight on...

So an update on my situation...

1) BT : Solved (thanks for the tips on BT being always in discovery mode)
2) GPS : Funny, the GPS test android app gives me the good speed (kph), the Igo app gives me knots or mph, something shitty anyway, I need to play more with IGO settings before being sure about the problem.
3) Sound, still NOTHING, can you guys who have installed one try to remember what you've done ? Did you use the white connector with the RCA plugs or did you use the black ISO connector ?

Thanks

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It goes straight on...
Did you have OEM Nav with your car already?
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