Redline Speed Worx Presents: Saad Racing / Pro EFI Stage 3 Build

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

No...they are not.

Looking at 13k without EMS...without fuel system...
so add on 3100 for the basic EMS without CAN display, I-boost, etc..
we'll say about 1200 for flex fuel sensor, can display, I-boost
add on 3600 for the Saad fuel system with pumps and injectors

And then there is a clutch...so anywhere from 1k-3k

So for the basic setup without subframe reinforcement...upgraded mounts, Saad ignition system and alot more "recommended items"... You're over 20k just to start without an engine build.

This is by far the most expensive option...by far and I wouldn't even say it's at quality to even consider spending that much...

So the basic HPF tuner kit with intercooler setup is $6000...SAAD tuner kit is $13000 ...the only big differences is the oil sump and tubular exhaust manifold...which for a non-built motor is pointless.

Now for 10k...you can get a full DME tuned setup with MaxPSI which is by far one of the best setups money can buy.

And then you have the FSR setup which very well may blow the HPF/Saad options away as far as quality and performance goes...pricing yet to be released but with the level of work they've been putting into their kit...it should be damn near perfect.

Regardless looking forward to seeing another boosted M on the road, just wanted to clarify some pricing so people are more aware

You all are misinformed, the Saad Racing Stage 3 kits makes 940 hp to the tire and is proven in jasons car, in order to get that kind of horsepower out of an HPF kit you are looking at $49k!! And as far as maxpsi kit i have not seen their kit make over 500 hp, and personally i see a lot of flaws in that kit. Saad Racing sets records and is a game changer in the E46 M3 Turbo market.

Originally Posted by MKampa

You all are retarded, the Saad Racing Stage 3 kits makes 940 hp to the tire and is proven in jasons car, in order to get that kind of horsepower out of an HPF kit you are looking at $49k!! And as far as maxpsi kit i have not seen their kit make over 500 hp, and personally i see a lot of flaws in that kit. Saad Racing sets records and is a game changer in the E46 M3 Turbo market.

The Saad Racing Stage 3 kit makes 940 rwhp on a stock block?

Originally Posted by 6spd_legend

The Saad Racing Stage 3 kit makes 940 rwhp on a stock block?

Saad Racing and HPF stage 3 both require built engines, we are comparing stage 3 builds correct?

Originally Posted by MKampa

Saad Racing and HPF stage 3 both require built engines, we are comparing stage 3 builds correct?

You sir...are retarded...but if you want to compare built blocks it is still half the price as the saad setup.

Go stick it in your ass.

And I was comparing basic setups on a non-built motor.

With or without EMS it's half the cost...

I think if prices don't change. Max PSI is going to sell a lot of kits...

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

You sir...are retarded...but if you want to compare built blocks it is still half the price as the saad setup.

Go stick it in your ass.

And I was comparing basic setups on a non-built motor.

With or without EMS it's half the cost...

Oh okay bud,

If we are talking basic setups then the Saad Racing kit is only $9,999.

If we are comparing stage 3, Saad Racing is still thousands cheaper than the HPf kit.

Only comparison i see is that the Saad kit is not only the best kit on the market, but also the most competitively price kit too.

Im sorry you are mislead on your information on the market but please educate yourself before posting up.

Thanks

Originally Posted by MKampa

Oh okay bud,

If we are talking basic setups then the Saad Racing kit is only $9,999.

If we are comparing stage 3, Saad Racing is still thousands cheaper than the HPf kit.

Only comparison i see is that the Saad kit is not only the best kit on the market, but also the most competitively price kit too.

Im sorry you are mislead on your information on the market but please educate yourself before posting up.

Thanks

No doubt Saad kit is very impressive!

But i don't think you get everything you need for 9.999. If so i am very interested!

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

No...they are not.

Looking at 13k without EMS...without fuel system...
so add on 3100 for the basic EMS without CAN display, I-boost, etc..
we'll say about 1200 for flex fuel sensor, can display, I-boost
add on 3600 for the Saad fuel system with pumps and injectors

And then there is a clutch...so anywhere from 1k-3k

So for the basic setup without subframe reinforcement...upgraded mounts, Saad ignition system and alot more "recommended items"... You're over 20k just to start without an engine build.

This is by far the most expensive option...by far and I wouldn't even say it's at quality to even consider spending that much...

So the basic HPF tuner kit with intercooler setup is $6000...SAAD tuner kit is $13000 ...the only big differences is the oil sump and tubular exhaust manifold...which for a non-built motor is pointless.

Now for 10k...you can get a full DME tuned setup with MaxPSI which is by far one of the best setups money can buy.

And then you have the FSR setup which very well may blow the HPF/Saad options away as far as quality and performance goes...pricing yet to be released but with the level of work they've been putting into their kit...it should be damn near perfect.

Regardless looking forward to seeing another boosted M on the road, just wanted to clarify some pricing so people are more aware

Now, Saad racing stage 1 tuner system is $9,999 which is a more direct comparison. Soon to be coming with a DME tune as well. They have their shop car going together for testing as we speak and will have the final numbers SOON

The cool thing about Saad Racing is the they use the same components on the stage 1 tuner system as the stage 3 system

Stage 1 comes standard with:

3.5" stainless steel down pipe directly off the turbo with waste gate plumbed back in!

Tubular pyramid merge stainless steel manifold

4" x 7" long air filter element

Stainless steel motor mount bracket and billet aluminum engine mount

Stainless steel charge pipe from the turbo to the intercooler for durability

Gravity oil drain system

World record setting turbo system

The quality of all of their components are top notch. Garrett intercooler core, Tial bov and waste gate, Precision turbo, billet components used throughout.

No one else has these components as standard in their kits.

Recent dyno numbers put their kit at 940 hp to the tire on e85!!!

Also, the Saad Racing e85 add-on system is $750 (not $1,200) which includes the sensor, bracket, custom mandrel bent stainless steel fittings, adapter fittings for the sensor, wiring harness for the Pro EFI and Teflon braided lines. It is also adaptable to either stage1 or stage2 fuel systems

Originally Posted by JR @ RS WORX

Now, Saad racing stage 1 tuner system is $9,999 which is a more direct comparison. Soon to be coming with a DME tune as well. They have their shop car going together for testing as we speak and will have the final numbers SOON

Also, the Saad Racing e85 add-on system is $750 (not $1,200) which includes the sensor, bracket, custom mandrel bent stainless steel fittings, adapter fittings for the sensor, wiring harness for the Pro EFI and Teflon braided lines. It is also adaptable to either stage1 or stage2 fuel systems

So for $750 that includes the can bus display and iboost controller as well?...pretty sure that's what my 1200 estimate was including...

And a DME tune...well that'll be impressive if it's true.

Either way looking forward to seeing some of these builds come to life...can't wait till I run into one at a runway event

A few more pictures of product going into our build

Pauter I beam Forged Connecting Rods w/ ARP Hardware


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_1 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_2 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_3 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_5 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_6 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_7 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr


Pauter_BMW_E46_M3_Rod_8 by Redline Speed Worx, on Flickr

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

So for $750 that includes the can bus display and iboost controller as well?...pretty sure that's what my 1200 estimate was including...

And a DME tune...well that'll be impressive if it's true.

Either way looking forward to seeing some of these builds come to life...can't wait till I run into one at a runway event

You do not need those components to run e85. It's all done internally with the Pro EFI in conjunction with the sensor. You can certainly add those if you like though

great to see other s54 turbo kits. good to see s54 platform move forward.

I'd have to spend some time adding components/etc together to make a direct cost comparison.. but a HPF Stage 3 includes quite a few little bells n whistles like the gauges, meth kit, etc..

The best comparison would be a HPF Stage 2.5 vs a Saad Stage 3. The difference being Flex Fuel vs Meth. Saad's flex fuel setup being significantly less than HPF's meth setup. Ignoring that though and just going Stage 2.5 vs Saad Stage 3 without doing the math I think the HPF kit is still cheaper.. and more refined.. Saad builds race cars.. and he's rather good at it.. its just hard to beat the HPF Stage anything kit as far as refinement.. and thats not a knock against Saad, or anyone for that matter.. simply put JP built an incredible turbo setup for HPF and it shows in every nut, bolt and screw..

FSR is not far behind though, after spending some time with them I'm really impressed with their attention to detail.

Source: Been there, done that.. a year and a half ago.

If you're looking for wild, and lots of custom stuff.. I'd go Saad/FSR/ProEFI.
If you're looking for an off the shelf kit that just works and can be installed by just about anyone... I'd go HPF... if you start deviating from the off the shelf setup thats where the HPF kit starts to deteriorate.

Originally Posted by MarcusLSB

I'd have to spend some time adding components/etc together to make a direct cost comparison.. but a HPF Stage 3 includes quite a few little bells n whistles like the gauges, meth kit, etc..

The best comparison would be a HPF Stage 2.5 vs a Saad Stage 3. The difference being Flex Fuel vs Meth. Saad's flex fuel setup being significantly less than HPF's meth setup. Ignoring that though and just going Stage 2.5 vs Saad Stage 3 without doing the math I think the HPF kit is still cheaper.. and more refined.. Saad builds race cars.. and he's rather good at it.. its just hard to beat the HPF Stage anything kit as far as refinement.. and thats not a knock against Saad, or anyone for that matter.. simply put JP built an incredible turbo setup for HPF and it shows in every nut, bolt and screw..

FSR is not far behind though, after spending some time with them I'm really impressed with their attention to detail.

Source: Been there, done that.. a year and a half ago.

If you're looking for wild, and lots of custom stuff.. I'd go Saad/FSR/ProEFI.
If you're looking for an off the shelf kit that just works and can be installed by just about anyone... I'd go HPF... if you start deviating from the off the shelf setup thats where the HPF kit starts to deteriorate.

Might also like to add that HPF also has a proven track record and a database of known problems. If you end up having a problem trouble shooting will more/less be a breeze compared to a more custom kit.

In my opinion all 4 vendors mentioned here build quality stuff, but like with everything in life they all have their good and their bad. It'll be up to what the customer wants in the end and how much they are willing to pay.

Don't mean to jack the thread, but I have been looking for SAAD pricing for a while, even PM'd/Emailed the OP about it and no response. Where can I find the pricing/power outputs?

Originally Posted by powerfreak1

Don't mean to jack the thread, but I have been looking for SAAD pricing for a while, even PM'd/Emailed the OP about it and no response. Where can I find the pricing/power outputs?

There is a PDF at Saad's Facebook plage, but you need to have adding skils
Or: http://www.redlinespeedworx.com/

Originally Posted by powerfreak1

Don't mean to jack the thread, but I have been looking for SAAD pricing for a while, even PM'd/Emailed the OP about it and no response. Where can I find the pricing/power outputs?

I am pretty sure we responded to your're email

email me at JR@redlinespeedworx.com

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

So the basic HPF tuner kit with intercooler setup is $6000...SAAD tuner kit is $13000 ...the only big differences is the oil sump and tubular exhaust manifold...which for a non-built motor is pointless.

If you break it down by the actual parts.. you will also notice the HPF tuner kit doesn't come with an intercooler, hot side charge piping, cold side charge piping, BOV, intake piping, intake filter, and the other big ticket items you mentioned. Also I think the comparison between the two would be the Saad Racing Stage 1 kit which is $9,999 according to this link

http://www.redlinespeedworx.com/saad...harger-system/

If you do the HPF tubular "upgrade" (yet to see results showing if this is even making more power than their cast manifold), add their intercooler, their piping, their BOV setup, their intake, etc.. you are in the same ballpark for pricing..

Kinda pointless to compare the companies other "stages" as they both accomplish their power figures through different components. HPF uses methanol to achieve higher power, thus they don't need a very extravagant fuel system (can get by with a tiny pump inline/small injectors). Saad Racing looks to E85 to achieve higher power, thus they need a much larger fuel system than stock which to do properly requires much more lines/fittings.
The other "required" pieces aren't really needed unless you are pushing the setup to the max and want it very reliable. On your car that makes 800hp+, did you change out your driveshaft, differential, add a diff brace, add flex fuel with all sensors, etc..?

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

Now for 10k...you can get a full DME tuned setup with MaxPSI which is by far one of the best setups money can buy.

If Saad is really coming out with a DME tuned setup, their Stage 1 kit would be in the same price range and offer similar components as MaxPSI's kit. I do like the fact that Saad's kit routes the intercooler piping up and over, uses a oil drain sump that appears plug/play and easily removable (MaxPSI posted a picture of their kit drain drilled/tapped in to the stock pan), etc.. Of course it would be nice to see more installed pictures of both setups to really draw a conclusion as to which kit one would go with.

Originally Posted by dallasberry

Might also like to add that HPF also has a proven track record and a database of known problems. If you end up having a problem trouble shooting will more/less be a breeze compared to a more custom kit.

Something to think about.. The vast majority of these known problems/trouble shooting scenarios come from the fact that the kit is almost overly complicated when above a Stage 1. The multiple trouble shooting threads or issues are almost always related to the meth system and it's pump/sensors/lines/fittings, the oil scavenge system and it's pump/lines/fittings, etc.. This is of course my opinion (been around a lot of tuner cars over the years) but looking at MaxPSI's kit, Saad's kit, and FSR's kit.. I highly doubt you will run in to many reliability issues that require extensive trouble shooting.

Originally Posted by dan avoN7

Something to think about.. The vast majority of these known problems/trouble shooting scenarios come from the fact that the kit is almost overly complicated when above a Stage 1. The multiple trouble shooting threads or issues are almost always related to the meth system and it's pump/sensors/lines/fittings, the oil scavenge system and it's pump/lines/fittings, etc.. This is of course my opinion (been around a lot of tuner cars over the years) but looking at MaxPSI's kit, Saad's kit, and FSR's kit.. I highly doubt you will run in to many reliability issues that require extensive trouble shooting.

I agree...I am against the Meth system myself and in the future will be turning it into a standard 50/50 setup for cooling but will not rely on it by any means.