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Old 01-16-2013, 12:27 PM   #41
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The 23 Executive orders are as follows:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

None of these will prevent the average citizen from buying a gun...

As of yet the assault weapon ban has not been reinstated (though it probably will now).
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:28 PM   #42
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Obama has done absolutely nothing today. All 23 EOs are complete fluff and will do nothing to solve the problem they are so desperate to fix. Our leaders have no problem solving skills whatsoever and should be laughed out of office.
Lemme guess... you prefer an instant "upstream" fix.
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Not really at all. Any reasonable gun will still be legal.

Does this law personally change anything for you?

Obama isn't exactly taking away all guns- or even close to it for that matter.
These new "laws" would make every magazine I have, for my legally store bought handgun illegal. It will force me to buy new magazines that fit his version of what I should have.

It will prohibit me from buying an AR-15, a gun that I really want, but can't afford to pay the premium price right now.

It makes things difficult for people to have what they want... You know, those millions and millions of people that don't kill children, or shoot up gas stations? Yea, the law abiding citizens, whom use these firearms for protection, sport or both.

What is a reasonable gun?
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:33 PM   #44
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It will prohibit me from buying an AR-15, a gun that I really want, but can't afford to pay the premium price right now.
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These new "laws" would make every magazine I have, for my legally store bought handgun illegal. It will force me to buy new magazines that fit his version of what I should have.

It will prohibit me from buying an AR-15, a gun that I really want, but can't afford to pay the premium price right now.

It makes things difficult for people to have what they want... You know, those millions and millions of people that don't kill children, or shoot up gas stations? Yea, the law abiding citizens, whom use these firearms for protection, sport or both.

What is a reasonable gun?
Well. What is reasonable is a matter of opinion. I'd say hunting rifle, shotgun or handgun.

Do you need extra capacity magazines? For your own defense? To hunt? To eat? To live? No. Some small things should be sacrificed for the greater good. I don't support a gun ban. Having said that I see nothing wrong with what Obama did in any way.

Here's a question for all you gun owners: Do you support the Patriot act? Hypocrisy is rampant in this nation.

Keep in mind that this government- the one that most of you think is so fuucked up- is only a reflection of this nation's people.

Along similar lines- for example- I believe that all those who de-cat their cars should pay the tremendous fine that is hardly ever enforced right now for said action.
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Well. What is reasonable is a matter of opinion. I'd say hunting rifle, shotgun or handgun.

Do you need extra capacity magazines? For your own defense? To hunt? To eat? To live? No. Some small things should be sacrificed for the greater good. I don't support a gun ban. Having said that I see nothing wrong with what Obama did in any way.
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ARs killed 300 people last year, less than hands and feet, handguns killed 8K.

Explain to us the greater good of 10 round magazines over a 19 round magazine.
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ARs killed 300 people last year, less than hands and feet, handguns killed 8K.

Explain to us the greater good of 10 round magazines over a 19 round magazine.
10 round is lighter and more aerodynamic. Adds 10hp to your drive-by.
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I personally enjoyed shooting with my Walther P22 at the gunrange once and a while. It was a good stress reliever and the bullets were cheap. I am in favor of these laws. I'm not a gun nut and I don't have any mental issues. These laws won't really affect me. I'm a recreational shooter and 10 bullets are good enough for me.
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Well. What is reasonable is a matter of opinion. I'd say hunting rifle, shotgun or handgun.

Do you need extra capacity magazines? For your own defense? To hunt? To eat? To live? No. Some small things should be sacrificed for the greater good. I don't support a gun ban. Having said that I see nothing wrong with what Obama did in any way.

Here's a question for all you gun owners: Do you support the Patriot act? Hypocrisy is rampant in this nation.

Keep in mind that this government- the one that most of you think is so fuucked up- is only a reflection of this nation's people.

Along similar lines- for example- I believe that all those who de-cat their cars should pay the tremendous fine that is hardly ever enforced right now for said action.
Citizens need those weapons to defend themselves from ANYBODY INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT who may have the same weapons. Laws only limit the lawful.

Also I do not in any way support the Patriot Act.
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10 round is lighter and more aerodynamic. Adds 10hp to your drive-by.


10 rounds mags are much easier to conceal. So does this mean Hollywood will have to reload all the time during a shoot out? No more 5 minute shoot outs without a reload?
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Do you need extra capacity magazines? For your own defense? To hunt? To eat? To live? No. Some small things should be sacrificed for the greater good.
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You're absolutely right. We should also get rid of a lot of the 4th amendment. If the government was freely allowed to search and seize we could stop a lot of crime and more easily do undeniably good things like find kidnapped children. Some small things should be sacrificed for the greater good.

Exactly how far do you want to go down this slope, hot shot.
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Do you all think congress will pass the ban on high capacity magazines? (10-round limit)
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Not really at all. Any reasonable gun will still be legal.

Does this law personally change anything for you?

Obama isn't exactly taking away all guns- or even close to it for that matter.
Obama isn't doing sh!t. He's leaving it up to congress since he knows he cannot issue an EO for a ban, lest the constitutionality of it be thrown back in his face. His only chance of enacting real world restrictions is through the normal legislative channels.

That being said, whatever they pass isn't going to solve the problem of bad people getting guns. Criminals don't care about passing a background check because they aren't going to buy them in the store. They will buy from the black market and the only people impacted by further gun laws will be law abiding citizens.

Even if they go as extreme as confiscation (I don't believe that will happen), they will never pull all the guns off of the street. Criminals will not voluntarily give up their guns, even if they are being paid (via buy back programs, even without questions).

Long story short - criminals don't give a care about new laws....they will continue to break laws to get what they want.

Mass shootings will still occur. Politicians will scratch their heads.
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These new "laws" would make every magazine I have, for my legally store bought handgun illegal. It will force me to buy new magazines that fit his version of what I should have.

It will prohibit me from buying an AR-15, a gun that I really want, but can't afford to pay the premium price right now.

It makes things difficult for people to have what they want... You know, those millions and millions of people that don't kill children, or shoot up gas stations? Yea, the law abiding citizens, whom use these firearms for protection, sport or both.

What is a reasonable gun?
How does this make your magazines illegal....? It's only for new purchase
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You're absolutely right. We should also get rid of a lot of the 4th amendment. If the government was freely allowed to search and seize we could stop a lot of crime and more easily do undeniably good things like find kidnapped children. Some small things should be sacrificed for the greater good.

Exactly how far do you want to go down this slope, hot shot.
Many gun nuts- are also right wing guys who support the Patriot Act. Do you support it? Rhetorical question. I have no doubt you'll now claim you aren't one of them.

Regardless- if you support the Patriot Act- and support unconditional ownership of guns in the US- you are a hypocrite. Are you really a constitutionalist? Or just a self-serving ass? Food for thought.

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Obama isn't doing sh!t. He's leaving it up to congress since he knows he cannot issue an EO for a ban, lest the constitutionality of it be thrown back in his face. His only chance of enacting real world restrictions is through the normal legislative channels.

That being said, whatever they pass isn't going to solve the problem of bad people getting guns. Criminals don't care about passing a background check because they aren't going to buy them in the store. They will buy from the black market and the only people impacted by further gun laws will be law abiding citizens.

Even if they go as extreme as confiscation (I don't believe that will happen), they will never pull all the guns off of the street. Criminals will not voluntarily give up their guns, even if they are being paid (via buy back programs, even without questions).

Long story short - criminals don't give a care about new laws....they will continue to break laws to get what they want.

Mass shootings will still occur. Politicians will scratch their heads.
Yes, criminals will still get guns. Not all- but quite a few of the guns used in these shootings were legal. Not illegal guns owned by criminals. Legal guns owned by someone- be it the shooter or a relative- flying under the radar.

Obviously the restrictions won't entirely fix the problem- they can't. But as Obama said- if he can prevent one lost life through the restrictions- it's a victory.
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