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Old 01-17-2013, 06:27 PM   #41
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No, I said I likely make 10x what Zell does. He's the one who said have fun working at the grocery store.



In that case lol ya many people will make more money than a grocery bagger
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:35 PM   #42
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Lol comp 2. Are you fvcking kidding?
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yeah lol community college...everyone should attend a huge university and pay 3x more or not even bother... fvckin idiots
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:40 PM   #44
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Only 48-55 pages a week? Is this a CC or elementary school?
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:53 PM   #45
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I didn't really mean it, but your insecurity is entertaining.
Insecurity? lol k. Little twat. I went to a community college to get pre req classes out of the way then transferred to a big university. I don't see why people would want to go to a big university for all 4 years
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:02 PM   #46
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What CC are you attending? I transferred and took EWRT2 at De Anza not too long ago and it was way easier than EWRT1.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:04 PM   #47
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I'd spend less time worrying about me and more on why you believe everything you read on the internet.
The things I believe come from:

a. A college education

b. My current advanced degree

c. Independent research that I have performed on my own, and cross-referenced

Sounds like that "useless piece of paper" could do you some good.

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I love the College vs no College argument. I didn't go to College/University, i wear a nice suit to work, have lots of cars and homes with zero debt. I'd be willing to bet I make 10X what you make, but its likely more than that.

College is bullshit, but if you need that piece of paper to give yourself self worth then all the power to you. Some people can make it without it.

Not that I'm bashing education, sometimes I really wish I did go to university.


You have no idea what I do.

So, in the fashion of douchebaggery, allow me to retort.

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I, too, have to wear a nice suit.

I am in the most valuable, sought-after, recession-proof industry in 2013. In fact, in 2008, my field continued to grow and hire people, while other industries failed.

I have 15 interviews next month, zero of which I applied for personally. They came to me.

My starting salary is about 2-3 times higher than the majority of college graduates, or even advanced degree graduates, and I have many years worth of hard data to back it up.

I have very little debt.

My current stresses in life consist of where I want to work and where I want to live in about 4 months, and which top company I want to work for.

Your wager is looking as if the odds are not so much on your side in this case.

...except if you count right now, at this moment in time, I make very little money because my job is school.

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Anyway, I'm not going to continue this. It's asinine to even discuss. The point I am making is, to say "College is a useless piece of paper" is quite simply extremely ignorant. If you go for an English degree, then yeah, it will be. If you go for an Engineering degree, then no, it won't be.

You make a lot of money without a college degree. Good for you. I have friends who are day traders and did not go to college; that's not the lifestyle I want to live. I (will) make a lot of money with my college degree. Good for me. That's the lifestyle I want to live after graduation.
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College isn't necessary nowadays, most people come out of college and fall on their faces, making low wage at an entry position with student debt hanging over their heads.

People with a trade are making more than most nowadays because there are less in their fields.

For instance I'm a European technician and currently in school for it. (Takes a couple years as BMW will be sending me to their school for a year after I complete the current courses I'm doing)

Starting out ill be making more than most people. As master tech I can be making 6 figures. Open my own shop and start tuning/repairing Luxury/exotic cars and ill be making bank.

And I went through 3 years of college already with a medical major and business minor so I can keep going with it if I want (still may finish it just because)

In most cases outside medicine, a college degree only helps you with your first job, after that work performance and recommendations are what you need and all that matters. Just because on paper it says you have that degree, doesn't mean you're worth a damn in the workforce.
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No, I said I likely make 10x what Zell does. He's the one who said have fun working at the grocery store.
So you make 10*8/hour? Good for you, I bill out at almost twice that. Just think of how good you'd be doing if you actually went to college
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No offense but it's community college. It shouldn't be that difficult. Unless it's absolutely critical that you take the class I would suggest dropping it for something else.
People who go to CC really dislike when I say this...yet they have the tendency to tell me how easy it is even before I say anything.
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Btw at people saying : lol community college.

Why spend 40k a year for an AA degree when you can get the same thing for much less and not worry about housing and living in a sh!tty dorm like required? You transfer to a university after the 2 years.

The first 2 years is all easy BS prerequisite classes towards your major.
If you go to a state school you can get a great education for <$20m/year (includes cost of everything). This is comparable to living on your own and going to CC.

And for someone like me, I pretty much took all of the prerequisite and 1st year college classes while still in highschool through dual enrollment through the local CC. So after graduating HS, CC would have had very little to offer me. It was better for my situation to go a 4 year university and take upper level courses not offered at CC.
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So you make 10*8/hour? Good for you, I bill out at almost twice that. Just think of how good you'd be doing if you actually went to college
Actually I did make $10.50/hr and $14/hr working part-time as a programmer at my school's IT department and doing statistical research during undergrad, so what you said isn't too far off
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English classes are usually the ones students use to bump their GPA up....

....drop the class.
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Actually I did make $10.50/hr and $14/hr working part-time as a programmer at my school's IT department and doing statistical research during undergrad, so what you said isn't too far off
I meant 8 * 10. As in $80/hour. Aka, the 10 times more an hour than a grocery bagger you mentioned you'll make. I just finished a project with a fortune 100 company where I billed out at 150 an hour as a developer working as a private contractor.

My first job was bagging groceries for 5.75 an hour at 15 and a half years old. Worked my ass off until I graduated college at 22. I'm 24 now making almost as much in 2 weeks as I did then in a year.

Tell me again how a degree is just a piece of paper...
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+1 if it's a pdf it should be easy enough to share ;-)
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I meant 8 * 10. As in $80/hour. Aka, the 10 times more an hour than a grocery bagger you mentioned you'll make. I just finished a project with a fortune 100 company where I billed out at 150 an hour as a developer working as a private contractor.

My first job was bagging groceries for 5.75 an hour at 15 and a half years old. Worked my ass off until I graduated college at 22. I'm 24 now making almost as much in 2 weeks as I did then in a year.

Tell me again how a degree is just a piece of paper...
I make roughly as much as you do, albeit I am on a salary not /hour but I went to college and got my computer engineering technology degree. It is very possible to have a fine career and make a lot of money without a degree. I just feel a degree shows a prospective employer that you have put in a fair amount of effort to get the degree and they might equate that to you having a good work ethic.
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I had a teacher just like that for English Literature Ii, class started out with 40 people and ended with 18. Like someone else said he's probably just weeding out the class and will most likely lighten up as the semester progresses.
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I make roughly as much as you do, albeit I am on a salary not /hour but I went to college and got my computer engineering technology degree. It is very possible to have a fine career and make a lot of money without a degree. I just feel a degree shows a prospective employer that you have put in a fair amount of effort to get the degree and they might equate that to you having a good work ethic.
Completely agree. Plenty of people have tons of success without a degree. And plenty are sitting on a degree making next to nothing.

Btw, my hourly rate is for consulting work that I do on the side. Sadly, I don't make that much at my salaried 9-5 :-( my hope is to gather up enough side business that I can make it full time. Average household income is 32k a year here. It's shocking...
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Completely agree. Plenty of people have tons of success without a degree. And plenty are sitting on a degree making next to nothing.

Btw, my hourly rate is for consulting work that I do on the side. Sadly, I don't make that much at my salaried 9-5 :-( my hope is to gather up enough side business that I can make it full time. Average household income is 32k a year here. It's shocking...
This might make me sound like a complete tool, but how could people live on 32k a year?
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