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Old 01-20-2013, 04:15 AM   #21
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Basar,

You are right at the beginning of testing, although you have not started road tests brother

You need to eat too much bread, 40 full backhouses k***305;rk f***305;r***305;n ekmek

I am at the end of RWD testing
Been testing RWD M3s since 1998.

Have you seen any RWD car with a solid axle faster than AWD cars on road surface, not at the drag strip? I have not.

Have you seen a solid axle RWD car on the highway beating a gallardo TT or a highly modified GTR? I have not.

The only RWD car beating a gallardo TT has been a c6 vette at the last tx mile. It was an IRS car as well, not a solid axle.

Photos wont come, only a few. I want to keep the Project as "protected" as possible. Too much energy, brain storming, R&D went into this Project. Its one off a kind, and I want to keep it as a closed Project.

But I promise to make top quality videos. You ll be lucky to see XM3 in drag races @ Ankara.







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I love eating bread

M3 does not need to be AWD to have traction for your application. You cannot say that awd was the only option because you were using 18" wheels and stock rear fenders which limited your traction ability.

You know you could have done alot to solve this traction issue.

In my opinion you didnt want to mess with the rear fenders and the look of the car and you wanted a unique M3. The same reason you used twin turbos instead of a big one. And it is fine with me i also have the same mentality.

The only reason i think it is a bad idea is that it will take too much time and effort that doesnt seem to be worthy for me.

Do you think you can complete the awd system in 1 year? What is you guess?

Cant wait to see it runing...
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Basar,

The black supra in Istanbul tested 15" wheels, 345 width. The same car tested 16" wheels as well. They enlarged supra's fenders.

This Supra's best 60-130 has been 4,87 seconds with 15" and 16"tires.

mine is 4,23s. (was getting down to 3,7s if we kept RWD, we improved 60-100 band by 0,45 of a second but stopped testing due to snow by 2012 january)

do you understand now that 15-16" does not matter. there is real World evidence.

my awd system: we started 3 weeks ago and we will finish AWD system next week. Its very complicated, electronics and mechanics.

we will have time figures by may 2013.

remember, I have one Professional man working 7/24 as my technician.

I have made Pectel work on S50 B32 in 3 months, there was no base map, I ve worked on vanos and made pectel drive S50 B32 vanos perfectly. Till that time there was no
base map for S50 B32 from Pectel.

On your side, you decided to remove vanos and lock the cams.

This is where we differentiate.

Removing vanos is a big no no no on S54.

basar, have you worked on rwd m3s before? whats your fastest 60-130 time with the mz4 when you sprayed n20? how many tires did you tested?

I do have at least 30 tires, different brands and sizes, sitting on my shelf. Have a new shipment from USA, 8 different tires coming.

I did test 20-30 different suspension setups. maybe more, cant remember.

Your experience with BMWs/turbos/suspension is not at a level where you can comment on my projects.

I recapitulate, my 18" tires put me 0,65 seconds ahead of supra, and with the latest mods almost 1 full second.


oops, twin turbo or single. thats a different debate.
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This is a very exciting project. I've always thought an s54 m3 mated to a competent AWD system would put the car in a completely different league- once you start approaching 4 digit whp figures I think it's safe to safe AWD will yield a faster street car (compared to rwd).
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Basar,

The black supra in Istanbul tested 15" wheels, 345 width. The same car tested 16" wheels as well. They enlarged supra's fenders.

This Supra's best 60-130 has been 4,87 seconds with 15" and 16"tires.

mine is 4,23s. (was getting down to 3,7s if we kept RWD, we improved 60-100 band by 0,45 of a second but stopped testing due to snow by 2012 january)

do you understand now that 15-16" does not matter. there is real World evidence.

my awd system: we started 3 weeks ago and we will finish AWD system next week. Its very complicated, electronics and mechanics.

we will have time figures by may 2013.

remember, I have one Professional man working 7/24 as my technician.

I have made Pectel work on S50 B32 in 3 months, there was no base map, I ve worked on vanos and made pectel drive S50 B32 vanos perfectly. Till that time there was no
base map for S50 B32 from Pectel.

On your side, you decided to remove vanos and lock the cams.

This is where we differentiate.

Removing vanos is a big no no no on S54.

basar, have you worked on rwd m3s before? whats your fastest 60-130 time with the mz4 when you sprayed n20? how many tires did you tested?

I do have at least 30 tires, different brands and sizes, sitting on my shelf. Have a new shipment from USA, 8 different tires coming.

I did test 20-30 different suspension setups. maybe more, cant remember.

Your experience with BMWs/turbos/suspension is not at a level where you can comment on my projects.

I recapitulate, my 18" tires put me 0,65 seconds ahead of supra, and with the latest mods almost 1 full second.


oops, twin turbo or single. thats a different debate.

Do yo think it is really that hard to make a engine harness ? Why are you talking like you have done the wiring, dont try to take credit for something done by someone else

I can also buy pectel and bring my car to the same shop that build your harness.

My decision for removing the vanos has alot of reasons including financial reasons.

There are a lot of RWD cars that have ALOT more horsepower than your car. Why dont they convert to awd ? You are talking like you have done everything possible on earth and the only way to go faster was converting to awd.

That is not true.

If anyone had spent the quarter of the time and money you spent for all of those years it would have been very different.


I dont need to have 60-130 mph file to tell my opinion.

If you didnt had that budget and if you didnt get help from ALL OVER THE WORLD you wouldnt be able to run that 60-130 time.


In fact you tried to make the car fast by yourself for many years and all you had was 1000 hp claims and failed engines.
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In for the updates, but could I just toss this out...

Could we please not get into the "me vs you" stuff? Let's leave this one to just the build and creativity, and not worry so much about the other stuff?
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Do yo think it is really that hard to make a engine harness ? Why are you talking like you have done the wiring, dont try to take credit for something done by someone else

I can also buy pectel and bring my car to the same shop that build your harness.

My decision for removing the vanos has alot of reasons including financial reasons.

There are a lot of RWD cars that have ALOT more horsepower than your car. Why dont they convert to awd ? You are talking like you have done everything possible on earth and the only way to go faster was converting to awd.

That is not true.

If anyone had spent the quarter of the time and money you spent for all of those years it would have been very different.


I dont need to have 60-130 mph file to tell my opinion.

If you didnt had that budget and if you didnt get help from ALL OVER THE WORLD you wouldnt be able to run that 60-130 time.


In fact you tried to make the car fast by yourself for many years and all you had was 1000 hp claims and failed engines.



I am building the AWD M3 at my shop. PERIOD. Purely at my shop.

With your little experience about cars all you are doing is ruining my thread and expressing your envy.

My 1000 bhp claims were proven by a 997 Wheel hp dyno run 4 years ago.

Your hatred and envy are obvious.

I remember you saying that pectel was out of your budget back in august 2012.

Please keep away from my thread and if you have any positive things share them.
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I am building the AWD M3 at my shop. PERIOD. Purely at my shop.

With your little experience about cars all you are doing is ruining my thread and expressing your envy.

My 1000 bhp claims were proven by a 997 Wheel hp dyno run 4 years ago.

Your hatred and envy are obvious.

I remember you saying that pectel was out of your budget back in august 2012.

Please keep away from my thread and if you have any positive things share them.
Just shut up and show pictures if its so "top secret" then go somewhere else to brag.
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[QUOTE=Twin_Turbo_S54;15080173]I am building the AWD M3 at my shop. PERIOD. Purely at my shop.
NO YOUR MECHANIC IS BUILDING IT

With your little experience about cars all you are doing is ruining my thread and expressing your envy.
YOU know EVERYTHING atleast that is what you are thinking

My 1000 bhp claims were proven by a 997 Wheel hp dyno run 4 years ago. YOU allready CLAIMED back in 2004-2005 that you had a 1100hp E36(maybe 400Hp at that time) without any proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your hatred and envy are obvious
NO YOU are bashing Basar and you think you have build your engine but the only thing you do is paying someone en giving him a hunck

You are becomming very annoying AGAIN!!!

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I am building the AWD M3 at my shop. PERIOD. Purely at my shop.
NO YOUR MECHANIC IS BUILDING IT

With your little experience about cars all you are doing is ruining my thread and expressing your envy.
YOU know EVERYTHING atleast that is what you are thinking

My 1000 bhp claims were proven by a 997 Wheel hp dyno run 4 years ago. YOU allready CLAIMED back in 2004-2005 that you had a 1100hp E36(maybe 400Hp at that time) without any proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your hatred and envy are obvious
NO YOU are bashing Basar and you think you have build your engine but the only thing you do is paying someone en giving him a hunck

You are becomming very annoying AGAIN!!!


You are acting / typing w/o seeing me or my shop.

You need to fly here and then comment. You will change your writings once you see me and my garage.

Chill down.
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no pics till its on road.

This thread is useless w/o photos
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Mert everyone would chill if you just showed pics, but you dont, why do you always share what ur doing with ur money but never pics or video? I could care less but im just letting you know your threads goto shyt because of you so if you dont want them to goto shyt then share you words and pictures. You dont want to show pics til its on road means you have not yet started or are afriad it wont work. Look if you show me now ill look at it and think cool then if it doesnt work ill still think atleast you tried.....but enough of the im doing this im doing that my dck is this big but no pictures or vids.
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