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Old 01-21-2013, 08:41 PM   #41
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6.2 sounds right, which more than last year.
And is exactly the same as it was in January, 2009.

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:30 AM   #42
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And is exactly the same as it was in January, 2009.

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office.
Moot point. They are higher than last year.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:00 AM   #43
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Moot point.

Onama did not raise your taxes. You are paying the exact same tax rate you were paying when he took office.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:33 AM   #44
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Moot point.

Onama did not raise your taxes. You are paying the exact same tax rate you were paying when he took office.
Moot point. He said they would not go up therefore he lied. Had he not made that statement I wouldn't have cared so much about the increase.

The tax increase doesn't bother me it's the lying that digs at me.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:37 AM   #45
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They didnt go up. You're paying the exact same rate you were paying when Obama took office.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:39 AM   #46
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Moot point.

Onama did not raise your taxes. You are paying the exact same tax rate you were paying when he took office.

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Moot point. He said they would not go up therefore he lied. Had he not made that statement I wouldn't have cared so much about the increase.

The tax increase doesn't bother me it's the lying that digs at me.
Exactly.

2012 SS tax is 4.2%.
Obama claims taxes will not increase under his reelection.
Obama gets reelected.
2 months later SS tax is raised back 6.2%.
People are up in arms because they tought the 4.2% rate would continue under Obama.
Obama fan boys reference 4 years earlier as the reference point for this tax.
Democrats always are pointing to the past.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:40 AM   #47
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They didnt go up. You're paying the exact same rate you were paying when Obama took office.
Are taxes more in 2013 than 2012? Yes or No?
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:53 AM   #48
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They didnt go up. You're paying the exact same rate you were paying when Obama took office.
And Democrats are supposed to be the logical ones?
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:04 AM   #49
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Are your taxes higher than they were when Obama said they wouldn't go up?

No, they aren't.

Maybe you can lie your way around that inconvenient truth.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:04 AM   #50
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Exactly.

2012 SS tax is 4.2%.
Obama claims taxes will not increase under his reelection.
Obama gets reelected.
2 months later SS tax is raised back 6.2%.
People are up in arms because they tought the 4.2% rate would continue under Obama.
Obama fan boys reference 4 years earlier as the reference point for this tax.
Democrats always are pointing to the past.
If only the House Republicans could have done more
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:10 AM   #51
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Moot point. He said they would not go up therefore he lied. Had he not made that statement I wouldn't have cared so much about the increase.

The tax increase doesn't bother me it's the lying that digs at me.
I guess we are viewing this differently.


I would be upset if my tax bracket took a 5% jump whereas in the past it had been consistent at a certain rate.

I'm not upset that a temporary tax cut expired. I don't view that as lying, I view it as exactly what it is.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #52
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I guess we are viewing this differently.


I would be upset if my tax bracket took a 5% jump whereas in the past it had been consistent at a certain rate.

I'm not upset that a temporary tax cut expired. I don't view that as lying, I view it as exactly what it is.
Well technically speaking they still went up. Had he worded his statement differently I wouldn't be calling him out on it. Maybe it's just the type A personality in me but when somebody says something they best be damn sure it can be interpreted the way it was meant.

Again it's a measly 2% percent increase but I hold people accountable to their actions and words.
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Well technically speaking they still went up. Had he worded his statement differently I wouldn't be calling him out on it. Maybe it's just the type A personality in me but when somebody says something they best be damn sure it can be interpreted the way it was meant.

Again it's a measly 2% percent increase but I hold people accountable to their actions and words.
I'm pretty type A, as well, and am all about holding people accountable. However, the world is not black and white and this, to me, is a gray area issue.

2 years ago when this 6.2 to 4.2 temporary tax cut was brought up, temporary is and was the key word in that phrase. If you're mad about it now, you should have had your anger then, too.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:34 AM   #54
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Welcome to the stupid right-wing commentary. Obama didn't raise any tax on the 95%, an old tax cut expired. The timing of the expiry is poor, but it's not a tax increase. Just be thankful you got to enjoy a few $1000s extra over the last few years.

I don't think the timing is poor at all. Obama has been re-elected, he no longer needs us to keep his job in 4 years. Had the expiration have been last January, the expiration would have been extended.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:40 AM   #55
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I'm pretty type A, as well, and am all about holding people accountable. However, the world is not black and white and this, to me, is a gray area issue.

2 years ago when this 6.2 to 4.2 temporary tax cut was brought up, temporary is and was the key word in that phrase. If you're mad about it now, you should have had your anger then, too.
I'll relax. I think my thoughts were clouded by my overwhelming dislike of politicians.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:15 PM   #56
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Are your taxes higher than they were when Obama said they wouldn't go up?

No, they aren't.

Maybe you can lie your way around that inconvenient truth.
Yes, they are. Something like 80% of Americans pay more in taxes today than they did in 2012.
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Correct me if Im wrong, but I was under the impression that these taxes went up (allowed to expire) because republicans said we can't afford to keep them that low....because Obama refuses to cut anything....is that about right?
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:14 PM   #59
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Yes, they are. Something like 80% of Americans pay more in taxes today than they did in 2012.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your spin - your taxes are not higher than they were when Obama said that.

Keep trying to sell your lie, though. There are plenty of republican idiots out there who are stupid enough to buy it.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:52 PM   #60
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It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your spin - your taxes are not higher than they were when Obama said that.

Keep trying to sell your lie, though. There are plenty of republican idiots out there who are stupid enough to buy it.
What spin? I literally looked at my check stub from December 2012 and January 2013 and my taxes are higher. How do even argue that?

Do you not understand that my taxes are higher this year than last?
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