Never say never

Originally Posted by badfast

20 years ago. No surprise though. Some believe we are back in 1933 or 1924.

Yes, and most people are much less afraid of black rifles with barrel shrouds and "the thing that goes up" than they were way back then. Our lawmakers have also gained so much intelligence and common sense since those dark ages of mysticism and blind adherence to party lines, as well.

We are so much more an advanced culture than we were back in 1993.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

Yes, and most people are much less afraid of black rifles with barrel shrouds and "the thing that goes up" than they were way back then. Our lawmakers have also gained so much intelligence and common sense since those dark ages of mysticism and blind adherence to party lines, as well.

We are so much more an advanced culture than we were back in 1993.

20 years of mass producing, selling to first time buyers has had zero effect on our society? So in 20 years not one person became a new owner of an 'assault weapon?' In the 70's when semi-automatic rifles started becoming popular, they had the same media avenues we do to learn about them, or even hear about them? Assault weapon production increased after the ban. So that decade of them illegal really didn't stop anyone from getting them.

There are still a good amount of idiots in this country, but with an AWB that lasted a decade with pretty much no positive results, and AW's becoming more prevalent in the last decade, I don't see how all of that won't factor into this decision.

In case you didn't notice, they're not putting this to a national popular vote. Congress gets to decide for us.

And they haven't evolved much I don't think I'm the only person who's received a "thanks for your opinion, but we're going to do what we want" response from a senator or congressman.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

In case you didn't notice, they're not putting this to a national popular vote. Congress gets to decide for us.

And they haven't evolved much I don't think I'm the only person who's received a "thanks for your opinion, but we're going to do what we want" response from a senator or congressman.

I received the same, thanks for your input but im going to do what I want.

"By the people, for the people"

Republicans hold majority in Congress 51%-48%.

Republicans hold majority in New York legislature. Being republican didn't stop any of them from imposing the strictest gun laws in the nation.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

Republicans hold majority in New York legislature. Being republican didn't stop any of them from imposing the strictest gun laws in the nation.

edit: it's split, Republicans have the Senate, and Democrats have the Assembly.

Either way, New York's ban passed by a resounding majority.

still don't think they'll be able to pass anything significant, but concerning none-the-less. thanks for the post.

seems prices have settled A LITTLE (i've been watching gunbroker like a hawk). by a little i mean around $100 or so.

i hate to wait, but i hate to pay a ridiculous premium.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

The only problem with that, is there isn't any evidence that making the '94 ban more strict would do a better job. I doubt there's someone that could win that debate against someone with evidence it didn't work. Possible, but highly unlikely imo.

What they could site is reduced incidents since the 86 ban on machine guns. At one time somebody could by a open bolt semi and remove/modify the dissconector to make it full auto. There were Alot of illegal machine guns riding around the ghetto back in the late 70's/early 80's.

They reclassified any new open bolt semis as machine guns (grandfathered old ones) and closed the registration. Since then there has been FAR less crimes commited with machine guns.

You do realize that this is a closed registration? Theres not going to be ANY new assault weapons made. Your average AR15 could go the way of the m16 and I'm sure they will use the stats on legal NFA ownership/crime to push putting "assault rifles" on to the NFA list to regulate them. Assuming IF they let them be transferable it wont be long before the prices really start climbing.

And yes, this is a "hitler" situation. First its registration and then its confications. It's been done multiple times before and it always ends in death.

And they haven't evolved much I don't think I'm the only person who's received a "thanks for your opinion, but we're going to do what we want" response from a senator or congressman.

Forget them, there going to screw us anyway.

"thanks for your VOTE, but we're going to do what we want" If you catch my drift.

We need to vote them out of office unfortunately were not the majority.

I do not understand the logic behind these politicians. Wow, absolute buffoons.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Give me one way 'what I do' makes things worse. Just one. What way would owning an assault rifle during a ban benefit you more than a person that doesn't? Zombies? Hitler taking over the country?

Give me a break, these scares are justifications for people's need to buy more sh1t, end of story.


However, what YOU do does have many repercussions. People buying ammo that don't even own a gun just to make more money. Inflation. Media coverage that sparks more shootings.

Buying something that could be banned from being produced forever I can understand. Buying ammo like crazy when ammo will always be built, is stupid. Once you have enough, buying more is useless unless you're just going to the range a lot. Sure, 1000 zombies tomorrow could invade our country, but this isn't a movie.

When people do nothing about laws they don't want passed, then the laws get passed. I was not referring to owning an assault rifle or 1000 rounds of ammo.

Why would owning an assault rifle during a ban benefit me? Well I like to shoot "assault rifles" and enjoy it as a hobby. I buy 1000 rounds at a time because it is cheaper and I shoot quite often. I don't see why buying ammo in bulk is stupid. Prices are not going to go down in the near future but availability is. I want to make sure I can enjoy myself and my firearms. The 1000 rounds could last me 2 weeks or 3 months, depends on my mood. You know what is stupid? Stupid is someone on the internet posting on a gun forum, calling people stupid for purchasing firearms and ammo. The reason I purchase firearms and ammo, is for my own enjoyment and self-defense.

Why do people own 5 sports cars? Why do people own 5 vacations homes? Why do people have 20 pairs of shoes? People own what they want because they can afford it and enjoy it.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

20 years of mass producing, selling to first time buyers has had zero effect on our society? So in 20 years not one person became a new owner of an 'assault weapon?' In the 70's when semi-automatic rifles started becoming popular, they had the same media avenues we do to learn about them, or even hear about them? Assault weapon production increased after the ban. So that decade of them illegal really didn't stop anyone from getting them.

There are still a good amount of idiots in this country, but with an AWB that lasted a decade with pretty much no positive results, and AW's becoming more prevalent in the last decade, I don't see how all of that won't factor into this decision.

You don't see how this won't factor into their decision? You think Feinstein or most anti-gun politicians care about the 1994 AWB statistics? They don't really care about the gun statistics or if the ban will really work. I'm not disagreeing with the common sense and logic behind your statements, but you have to understand how and why laws are passed. Some politicians obviously have an agenda right now...