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Old 01-23-2013, 10:59 AM   #1
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Person to person AR sale

I found a couple AR's in store this AM. A Bushmaster M4A2 Patrolmans Carbine and a DPMS Oracle. I plan on keeping the Oracle and selling the Bushmaster. I don't want to make any profit on the gun, just want to pass it on to someone who is looking. Is it legal to sell across state lines without using an FFL?
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:03 AM   #2
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:14 AM   #3
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I found a couple AR's in store this AM. A Bushmaster M4A2 Patrolmans Carbine and a DPMS Oracle. I plan on keeping the Oracle and selling the Bushmaster. I don't want to make any profit on the gun, just want to pass it on to someone who is looking. Is it legal to sell across state lines without using an FFL?
No, not if you are shipping it.

I guess if you were meeting someone face to face in your home state, there would be no way to know where the buyer lived.

If you were delivering it in person to their state, I would not do it personally.

Just wait for a gun show and sell it there for a few hundred extra.

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"Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.
The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensee. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements with a dealer in his state to ship the item to.

Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the licensee's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it."
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Sell it to me. In Texas. FFL ready. PM Me
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I found a couple AR's in store this AM. A Bushmaster M4A2 Patrolmans Carbine and a DPMS Oracle. I plan on keeping the Oracle and selling the Bushmaster. I don't want to make any profit on the gun, just want to pass it on to someone who is looking. Is it legal to sell across state lines without using an FFL?
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Depends on the states involved.
Its the same in all states

INTERstate firearm sales are governed by federal law

Firearms must be transferred in the buyers state
Long guns can be transferred in either state

In both cases, an FFL must be used!

State law also applies too

Keep in mind... A persons state is where they live, not where they are physically standing
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Sell it to me. In Texas. FFL ready. PM Me
I'll let you know. Had a local guy trying to get $$ together. Didn't sound like he'd make it happen. You're first on the list otherwise.
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Sell it to me. In Texas. FFL ready. PM Me
Just call the store and buy it
No need to involve the OP

It complicates things... You pay fees twice, shipping twice and possibly look like you're lying on the 4473
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Did you find any other ARs in that store?
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Did you find any other ARs in that store?
lol, subtle
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Check your state laws. In MD any gun HAS to go through an FFL regardless of who is selling
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I have seen multiple ARs just this week. Element Arms in Becker gets quite a few per week. .223 and 5.56 is around Cabelas and the Blaine Gander fairly often. It's all Federal which is made a few miles from both of those stores.
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I've met the owner of Element Arms, Dustin Emholtz, and had the opportunity to chat with him. He is buddies with some of my buddies. Nothing against him on a personal level, but professionally he's a DPMS fanboy and pushes them a lot harder than he should. Going back to my previous posts in other threads, I am not a fan of DPMS (or Bushmaster) for numerous reasons.
A west metro SWAT team that shall not be named publicly here knows all to well what can go wrong when you rely on DPMS to provide a quality rifle. They had a laundry list of parts that were out of spec or just plain broken.

I understand that given the uncertain times, it's better to have something than nothing. BUT BUT BUT, if there is a better rifle than a DPMS or Bushmaster, get it.
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I've met the owner of Element Arms, Dustin Emholtz, and had the opportunity to chat with him. He is buddies with some of my buddies. Nothing against him on a personal level, but professionally he's a DPMS fanboy and pushes them a lot harder than he should. Going back to my previous posts in other threads, I am not a fan of DPMS (or Bushmaster) for numerous reasons.
A west metro SWAT team that shall not be named publicly here knows all to well what can go wrong when you rely on DPMS to provide a quality rifle. They had a laundry list of parts that were out of spec or just plain broken.

I understand that given the uncertain times, it's better to have something than nothing. BUT BUT BUT, if there is a better rifle than a DPMS or Bushmaster, get it.
I completely agree about the fanboyism at Element.
Never been a fan of DPMS, I do plan on keeping the sportical for the smooth side upper and no forward assist. It will be nice for backpacking and a cheap backup/wife gun.

I did have a better quality rifle, but unfortunately it was lost when my canoe capsized in the Boundary Waters.
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