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Old 02-03-2013, 08:10 AM   #21
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I've been told that about the diesels, but i just don't really like them. To be honest they sound like tractors to me.

Yes they might be more economical with fuel, but that's something i'm not worried about.

How are they more reliable? And how is it that a diesel requires less maintenance?

I've considered them before, but i love the roar of a V8. Like i said before, if the ML63 was in the budget i would def go for that.

This analysis is very much based in today, however, with current fuel prices and the options available right now. If you expect to own the vehicle for 5 years or so, I would build some scenarios based on what you expect the market for cars and fuel prices doing at the moment. Fuel costs more, and diesels tend to be more attractive relative to large petrol engines, from a perception standpoint as much as from a cash cost standpoint. So while it may be close to being a wash today, it may not still be in five years (depending on how you assign values to various factors). I also love the reliability and smoothness of the diesel compared to the V8's rough rumble.

Any particular reason why you would rule out any diesel 4WD such as the X5?

Tractors??? It all depends whether it is a common rail diesel right which tend to be not as noisy. Of course they're more reliable than a V8 X5 even my neighbour admitted it and he owned a V8 X5 and said never again will I go through all those problems and maintenance hassles that those petrol V8's have.

You're not making sense here man? This is quality advice I am giving on why you should not buy the V8. Have you spoken to BMW specialists? Or V8 owners? I'm sure they will tend to agree

Please - Just take a Twin turbo diesel X5 for a test drive and tell me what you think.

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Old 02-03-2013, 08:19 AM   #22
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I've been told that about the diesels, but i just don't really like them. To be honest they sound like tractors to me.

Yes they might be more economical with fuel, but that's something i'm not worried about.

How are they more reliable? And how is it that a diesel requires less maintenance?

I've considered them before, but i love the roar of a V8. Like i said before, if the ML63 was in the budget i would def go for that.
They haven't any electrical ignition, they don't have spark plugs and the engine block is built stronger to cope with the higher compression ratio. The service intervals on diesels are very wide and they don't have many consumables.

And diesel is a lot cheaper than 98RON that the V8s would require.

But if you are set on a V8, go with the X5.

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Old 02-03-2013, 08:27 AM   #23
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Hey Rob, thanks for the info appreciate it.

I've never really owned a diesel car. I've driven a 330d and it went like ****. I've always been a petrol man. I've driven a TDV6 RR Sport and that was crap in my opinion.

The price of petrol doesn't really worry me. I love my V8's.

But what M3_DU said has really made me interested.

The other thing that has kept me away from pre owned diesel X5's is that i can't find one fully optioned like the V8's. They tend to come with only some options, a lot of them don't have heated seats, rear climate control, HUD etc.

I don't think i could ever get used to driving a diesel. Fuel/economy wise they are great but i just couldn't enjoy the roar of a V8.

This is what has made me want a V8 X5 -
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:49 AM   #24
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Let me check carsales for you. What year model in particular?
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:51 AM   #25
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:12 AM   #26
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None. I only came across a nice Ruby black 09 35d with 52,000kms for $73k.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:22 AM   #27
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All good. I think i'll stick with a V8.

I've got 3 choices on the next SUV - RR SC, RR Vogue SC or X5 and so far X5 is at the top of the list unless miraculously an ML63 with low k's falls into the budget lol.

Does anyone here have an X5, if so could you inbox me, i have a few q's.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:52 PM   #28
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Diesels also run extremely expensive high pressure pumps/injectors and turbos.

For reliability sake, if you're taking it past 150,000km and the V8's tremendous fuel use doesn't bother you, buy the V8. Cheaper and more fun.

And don't buy a Range Rover. Every man and his dog has a black RR Sport. They're unbelievably heavy, poorly packaged and the interior quality is embarrassing. My ex just bought a V8 TDI and showed me, sorely unimpressed.

Go the X5, just try to find one spec'd a little left of centre with a killer exhaust so you don't blend into the soccer mums.
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:04 PM   #29
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If i buy an X5 i will be after something with around 70-80 000k's, and will plan on keeping it for 2-3 years.

What do you mean by 'little left of centre'.

And yes, it will have a killer exhaust hehehe.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:33 PM   #30
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With a few individual options, something cool. Not bloody black, grey or white like every single other X5 sold on the planet.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:57 PM   #31
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Heard a bit of a disaster story about an e70 X5

2008 with 100,000 ks, problem with the diff. New diff + potentiometer $6200 from BMW, 10 hours labour for install!!

Makes my M3 diff problems/costs seem pretty reasonable!
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:33 AM   #32
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I know this might be blasphemy, but you are considering Mercs anyway - ML500s are pretty decently priced...
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:35 AM   #33
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:45 AM   #34
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Yeah i seen that ML last week on carsales.

I really want an ML63. So if i bought an ML500 i'd die if an ML63 pulled up next to me

I think the X5 V8 is an all round better car than the ML500. I'd only ever buy an ML63 in the ML series.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:56 PM   #35
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get that. wont need to put a $5000 exhaust on it (like the X5) so that makes up the price difference. awesome car and sounds like you'll be alot happier....
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:54 AM   #36
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Ok.

After looking at a few cars this weekend, it's narrowed down to these choices:

ML63 2006+
Range Rover Vogue Supercharged 2006+
Range Rover Sport Supercharged 2007-2008
BMW E70 X5 V8

I don't really like the X5. Seems a bit small to me next to the other 3 and i see them everywhere. Though i must admit i love the interior setup and the idrive system. But.. in saying that it's still in my list. It's just so much more modern than the other SUV's.

The Vogue has the best interior of all but is a truck and does look a bit like a cube from the side.
The ML63 is a monster, i love everything about it, but with my budget all of the ones i've seen have high km's (over 120 000)
The Range Rover Sport has crap interior, but is a truck that drives much better than the vogue, has the looks but has the issues of being unreliable from what i keep hearing.

Any input on these 3 would be great.

Should i take a risk by settling for an ML63 with high k's? Or get a RR Sport or Vogue?

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Old 02-11-2013, 07:38 AM   #37
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Yuck! ML55 AMG's are foul.
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Have you been in one?
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They're foul. Worst car Mercedes has ever made, next to the A-Class. Trying to tart up a turd with an AMG badge just makes it more shameful.

Thank god they picked up their game with the next generation, what a beast!

I can't see there being too many mechanical issues with a high mileage ML63? It's a pretty simple beast, and electronics are unfazed by kilometres. I'd just be thinking heat-cycled perishables and suspension bushings?
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