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Old 02-05-2013, 10:41 AM   #21
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How is that "welfare" defined, this reliance on government services, programs and supports? Does it include our military? Basic science and research? Police? Senior citizens. Retirees. People with disabilities. Our Interstate systems? Border guards? FAA? Teachers? Veterens benefits? Farm subsidies and price supports? Various energy supports? Corporate welfare in its many, varied and broad guises?

Or is it all basically what is being wasted on some indolent underclass of "others" (certainly not you, I or anyone we associate with.), "takers" beyond any real hope of redemption that must simply be cast off to the wilderness to fend for themselves?

How many then, too, are contributing to our society in all the varied ways (taxes of all forms, fees, duties, etc.) in support of our general welfare?

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Old 02-05-2013, 10:43 AM   #22
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Doesn't seem accurate when compared to other sources.

Welfare Statistics:
Total number of Americans on welfare; 4,300,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps; 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance; 5,600,000
Percent of the US population on welfare; 4.1 %
Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment); $131.9 billion

Date Verified: 10.15.2012
Source: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:18 AM   #23
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That chart is so skewed it's ridiculous. Let's take this example.....if you are on disability and you have a wife, 4 kids, an elderly parent and a disabled brother living with you that graph will count 8 people as "being on welfare".

Go look at sites like the US Department of Commerce, or the US Department of Health & Human Services. Here's a nice summary for you:

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
Call me crazy, but that is a FAR MORE ACCURATE representation than the inverse (where that household is counted as one individual. After all, each of those mouths marks an increase in the amount of "welfare" which must be provided to that single household.

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Doesn't seem accurate when compared to other sources.

Welfare Statistics:
Total number of Americans on welfare; 4,300,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps; 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance; 5,600,000
Percent of the US population on welfare; 4.1 %
Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment); $131.9 billion

Date Verified: 10.15.2012
Source: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute
Source Link: http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
But if these data points are viewing a single household as a single person, that number is skewed. If you have a husband, wife, 4 kids, and two parents living in a household where nobody works, what is the total number of people on government assistance? 2? 4? 8?

To me, that is 8 people dependent on the government for their livelihood.
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Call me crazy, but that is a FAR MORE ACCURATE representation than the inverse (where that household is counted as one individual. After all, each of those mouths marks an increase in the amount of "welfare" which must be provided to that single household.
I go by statistics that have logical backings. If there are 100 checks going out to welfare recipients, I count that as 100 people on welfare. I don't count their elderly parent on SS who happens to live with them as on welfare, too. There is proof of the check going to the recipient.....there is bias and no proof that it supports 8 people underneath the recipient.


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But if these data points are viewing a single household as a single person, that number is skewed. If you have a husband, wife, 4 kids, and two parents living in a household where nobody works, what is the total number of people on government assistance? 2? 4? 8?

To me, that is 8 people dependent on the government for their livelihood.
You're (gigantic) assumption that no one else works is a doozy.
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But if these data points are viewing a single household as a single person, that number is skewed.
The figures stated represent individuals and not households. There is no "if".
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That chart is so skewed it's ridiculous. Let's take this example.....if you are on disability and you have a wife, 4 kids, an elderly parent and a disabled brother living with you that graph will count 8 people as "being on welfare".

Go look at sites like the US Department of Commerce, or the US Department of Health & Human Services. Here's a nice summary for you:

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/


I know you are not dumb, so go back and read my post AGAIN. Obama straight up BULLSH!TTED the entire nation (almost everything out of his mouth is a complete lie) and still got himself elected. I said that 47% comment CAN BE SPUN in Romney's favor. As chase stated, he did himself a HUGE disservice for apologizing for it, rather than spin it and use it to his advantage. You pretend like politics are all facts. Again, I NEVER CLAIMED THE CHART IS ACCURATE in terms of how many people are ACTUALLY on government assistance. I said it can be DELIVERED EASILY to the average uninformed American public.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:09 PM   #28
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I go by statistics that have logical backings. If there are 100 checks going out to welfare recipients, I count that as 100 people on welfare. I don't count their elderly parent on SS who happens to live with them as on welfare, too. There is proof of the check going to the recipient.....there is bias and no proof that it supports 8 people underneath the recipient.




You're (gigantic) assumption that no one else works is a doozy.
So a single mom with 15 kids getting welfare (mind you, a single check) counts as 1 person to you?
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I know you are not dumb, so go back and read my post AGAIN. Obama straight up BULLSH!TTED the entire nation (almost everything out of his mouth is a complete lie) and still got himself elected. I said that 47% comment CAN BE SPUN in Romney's favor. As chase stated, he did himself a HUGE disservice for apologizing for it, rather than spin it and use it to his advantage. You pretend like politics are all facts. Again, I NEVER CLAIMED THE CHART IS ACCURATE in terms of how many people are ACTUALLY on government assistance. I said it can be DELIVERED EASILY to the average uninformed American public.
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I know you are not dumb, so go back and read my post AGAIN. Obama straight up BULLSH!TTED the entire nation (almost everything out of his mouth is a complete lie) and still got himself elected. I said that 47% comment CAN BE SPUN in Romney's favor. As chase stated, he did himself a HUGE disservice for apologizing for it, rather than spin it and use it to his advantage. You pretend like politics are all facts. Again, I NEVER CLAIMED THE CHART IS ACCURATE in terms of how many people are ACTUALLY on government assistance. I said it can be DELIVERED EASILY to the average uninformed American public.
I'm not going to get in a heated argument with you over what you perceive that you wrote. I responded based on what I perceived that you wrote. You implied multiple times that there are 100m people on welfare, which there are not. Use whatever anecdotal, unlikely case you want.....oh wait!

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So a single mom with 15 kids getting welfare (mind you, a single check) counts as 1 person to you?
No, it doesn't, but implying that that is the case every single time is pretty stupid, don't you think? You consistently apply the outlier cases to the majority in order to fit your stance.
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It has become non-PC to attack those on welfare, food stamps, and other assistance... 40 years ago, that wasn't the case....We have gotten away from that and now people taunt about abusing the system. It's a crock.

We need to fix the MENTALITY.
No, it's not because it's not PC, it's because it's a red-herring. Only idiots harp on social programs that waste 1% of the overall spending in our budget, all while ignoring 30% of our budget that is essentially handouts to those who are far wealthier. Only idiots claim their is major fraud in the "welfare system" but cannot provide proof, only idiots will chastise people for using public assistance programs that are available to them, but simultaneously ignore or even idolize people for utilizing the tax system to skirt as much financial burden as possible.

It's not because it's not politically correct, it's because it's stupid, just like the people who believe that bullshit. And if you feel like you fall into that category, so be it.

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