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Old 02-14-2013, 12:22 PM   #21
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I have heard Montana is AWESOME. Need to check into their LEO dept potential though before I go.
I've been fly fishing in Montana before and loved it. Wyoming was nice too. I know a deputy with Flathead County Sheriff's Office, based out of Columbia Falls, and he's buddies with the guys at Black Ops Precision rifles (formerly Underground Skunkworks). Wouldn't mind moving out there.
I have another Army/cop buddy in Idaho, and another Army buddy in Wyoming (been to Wyoming for fly fishing as well). Have yet to go to Utah, but I have been considering training with Sniper Country Training out there. Wouldn't mind being out there in those states, and I'd move out there without hesitation if the wife were on board for it.

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I would love to move to Texas,, but I'm stuck in Md. I love my work and can't do it with as much success anywhere else. Even though i hate this state.

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I always hear a lot of good things about Texas, and wouldn't mind living there. I have more desire to live in Arizona, as I have family there. AZ is pretty pro-gun too, but there is a lot more crime and violence in the Phoenix area.
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I would love to move to Texas,, but I'm stuck in Md. I love my work and can't do it with as much success anywhere else. Even though i hate this state.

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Same problem with me/wife. We have good jobs and not a lot of places, especially ones like Montana would offer us nearly the same salaries...even though the cost of living is far less.
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I've been fly fishing in Montana before and loved it. Wyoming was nice too. I know a deputy with Flathead County Sheriff's Office, based out of Columbia Falls, and he's buddies with the guys at Black Ops Precision rifles (formerly Underground Skunkworks). Wouldn't mind moving out there.
I have another Army/cop buddy in Idaho, and another Army buddy in Wyoming (been to Wyoming for fly fishing as well). Have yet to go to Utah, but I have been considering training with Sniper Country Training out there. Wouldn't mind being out there in those states, and I'd move out there without hesitation if the wife were on board for it.



I always hear a lot of good things about Texas, and wouldn't mind living there. I have more desire to live in Arizona, as I have family there. AZ is pretty pro-gun too, but there is a lot more crime and violence in the Phoenix area.
Utah is probably my favorite place on the planet, and I've been to a lot of places. I have a few friends in AZ, and would consider it if they could just get their Mexican problem under control.
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Well, it passed the preliminary....lets see if Magpul keeps their word...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-capacity-ammo

I guess the good people of Colorado will have to spend their money in Wyoming from now on.....I guess there goes my dream of moving there....the libtards got their way and are going to destroy that state too....they'll probably ban offroading there too.
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BTW, I think it would behoove us all to write a short letter to SigSauer, S&W and Glock....telling them you will greatly support them if they jump of the "wont sell to government agencies boat." So far it's 6 companies.

publicsafetysales@sigsauer.com, dgrier@smith-wesson.com, LE.info@glock.us

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With as many LE accounts as Glock, S&W and Sig have, I don't have a lot of faith in them adhering to this.

With as high of taxes as NY has, you'd have thought that Remington would have moved out of Ilion many years ago, but they did not. Now with the ban, they still haven't made one mention of budging. Remington has so many GOV and MIL contracts that they would not be inclined to make any changes since they'll likely always be mostly exempt.

Realistically, if Glock, S&W and Remington were to come out and support this measure, it would cripple the nation and people would start paying attention. If anyone did it, S&W would be the ones to do it. The problem is that S&W has been selling guns to cops for longer than any other company except maybe Colt.
Companies like Magpul and LaRue can survive without LE sales. Glock couldn't. S&W is debatable and could go either way.
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Well, it passed the preliminary....lets see if Magpul keeps their word...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-capacity-ammo

I guess the good people of Colorado will have to spend their money in Wyoming from now on.....I guess there goes my dream of moving there....the libtards got their way and are going to destroy that state too....they'll probably ban offroading there too.
I do not think they will have anyway in hell they can enforce this bill IF it passes. Engraving mags....ROFLOL. Still talks about burden of proof.
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Montana, Wyoming, Idaho and Utah all are very pro-gun and have mountains.

Not gonna lie-I'm considering moving to either Montana, Arizona or Texas.
If you move to Texas, I call shotgun. I've wanted to move there for a loooooong time.
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With as many LE accounts as Glock, S&W and Sig have, I don't have a lot of faith in them adhering to this.

With as high of taxes as NY has, you'd have thought that Remington would have moved out of Ilion many years ago, but they did not. Now with the ban, they still haven't made one mention of budging. Remington has so many GOV and MIL contracts that they would not be inclined to make any changes since they'll likely always be mostly exempt.

Realistically, if Glock, S&W and Remington were to come out and support this measure, it would cripple the nation and people would start paying attention. If anyone did it, S&W would be the ones to do it. The problem is that S&W has been selling guns to cops for longer than any other company except maybe Colt.
Companies like Magpul and LaRue can survive without LE sales. Glock couldn't. S&W is debatable and could go either way.
You obviously know far more on the subject, but I read (ill link the article) that law enforcement is actually a very small percentage of firearm sales for these companies. Troof?
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Here it is...from the link I posted above....

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EFI, LLC has a long-standing policy of not selling to law enforcement in states that restrict private gun ownership. TheBlaze interviewed EFI’s President Melinda Meador on the subject. Her statement was quite succinct:

“We refuse to recognize law enforcement exemptions on gun control. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.”
The company’s policy supports a broad market strategy for sales. Meador reminded us that “law enforcement sales don’t make up a significant portion of the market.”
Also, they are not going to stop selling to "law enforcement" just the law enforcement in commie states.
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You obviously know far more on the subject, but I read (ill link the article) that law enforcement is actually a very small percentage of firearm sales for these companies. Troof?
LE sales don't make up a major portion of the market as whole, but they do for certain companies.
The percentages are not as important as the public perception and the impact. Nobody gave a crap about Glock until cops started using them in the mid-to-late 80s, then Glock took over upwards of 75-80% of the market share of LE pistols. If it wasn't for LE, Glock would never have gotten to where they are now. Most companies may not sell a ton to LE, but they heavily rely on LE use for commercial marketing reasons; especially if they don't have MIL contracts. How did Kimber sell so many pistols? By marketing the fact that LAPD SWAT and SIS use their pistols. Take a look at a Guns 'n Ammo or any NRA magazine, or any other gun magazine for that matter, and count how many gun ads use LE photos or references for marketing ads. Quite a few.

S&W is making a lot of in-roads with LE sales and they're quickly taking over a lot of Glock territory. I would suspect that S&W would not want to lose the momentum and give anything back up to Glock. Not to mention the fact that the M&P15 line is gaining a lot of ground in the patrol rifle realm.

Here's what I would say, specifically for Glock and S&W- If one does it, the other will. They are likely waiting for the other company to move first. It really depends on which company will do it first. If I had to make a prediction, I would say that S&W would do it before Glock did, since S&W is an American company.

JMO.

I'm not saying they shouldn't, because they should cut them off. It'd have a major impact. I'm just skeptical.
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The percentages are not as important as the public perception and the impact. Nobody gave a crap about Glock until cops started using them in the mid-to-late 80s, then Glock took over upwards of 75-80% of the market share of LE pistols. If it wasn't for LE, Glock would never have gotten to where they are now.
S&W is making a lot of in-roads with LE sales and they're quickly taking over a lot of Glock territory. I would suspect that S&W would not want to lose the momentum and give anything back up to Glock. Not to mention the fact that the M&P15 line is gaining a lot of ground in the patrol rifle realm.

Here's what I would say, specifically for Glock and S&W- If one does it, the other will. They are likely waiting for the other company to move first. It really depends on which company will do it first. If I had to make a prediction, I would say that S&W would do it before Glock did, since S&W is an American company.

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Fair enough. It seems (especially in Glock's case) that they are kind of a "household" name now. They don't need the LE backup to sell....kind of like Mcdonalds selling salads....if they stopped serving big macs tomorrow, their image is still fast junk food. I think this is an issue in only a few states, so the blockback wont be major from the targeted LE perspective, but the bonus of the 2nd amendment guys going gaga over the fact would spike their sales numbers. Obviously just a thought, based on no real evidence. I guess time will tell (as will the NY lawsuit.)
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i am waiting on the ny lawsuit to judge whether or not i will stay in ny. we'll have to see how the dust settles.
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I just ordered a nice amount of Saiga 12, AR, and AK mags tonight. Prices were good and all in stock. Had to make sure I have enough since this Colorado 15 round law. I should be good to go. Also, had a local guy trade me 200 rounds of .223 straight for 200 rounds of 9mm ammo. So far been a good day. I hope Magpul dumps this state and takes the jobs with them. Will see who gets elected next time in Colorado....LOL. They legalize pot...and ban mags, go figure. Bipolar state.
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well they cant afford to have a bunch of drug addicts running around with 30 mags now can they
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I just ordered a nice amount of Saiga 12, AR, and AK mags tonight. Prices were good and all in stock. Had to make sure I have enough since this Colorado 15 round law. I should be good to go. Also, had a local guy trade me 200 rounds of .223 straight for 200 rounds of 9mm ammo. So far been a good day. I hope Magpul dumps this state and takes the jobs with them. Will see who gets elected next time in Colorado....LOL. They legalize pot...and ban mags, go figure. Bipolar state.
The sad thing is that Biden and the dems are all claiming that Magpul is bluffing. I hope they realize that Magpul doesn't bullshit and the State of Colorado gets fucked for this.
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i am waiting on the ny lawsuit to judge whether or not i will stay in ny. we'll have to see how the dust settles.
I would leave anyway (I did) but the lawsuit outcome may speed it up. NY has become a god awful place to live. Literally other than food, there is NOTHING good here.
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The sad thing is that Biden and the dems are all claiming that Magpul is bluffing. I hope they realize that Magpul doesn't bullshit and the State of Colorado gets fucked for this.
Do you believe they will hold up their end of the threat (I hope they do, just that sometimes companies like their bottom line more than their word.)
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I would leave anyway (I did) but the lawsuit outcome may speed it up. NY has become a god awful place to live. Literally other than food, there is NOTHING good here.
yea i wish it was that easy. truth be told, aside from the politcal BS and the taxes, i really do like NY. however, im working really hard on a promotion here at work, if and once i get the promotion i would be in a much better position (career wise) to move out of state. that and i need as much time to butter up the fiance as possible.

but i hope that magpul follows through and leaves CO and stops selling their products to both LE and MIL that would put a quick end to this shit. if all the manufacturers got together and decided not to sell anything to the govt if the LACs cant buy it we wouldnt be in this mess.
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Magpul? Oh hell yeah. There are half a dozen states that with throw subsidies and incentives at them to come to them. Magpul isn't bluffing. They're already shopping for a new location.
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