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Old 02-19-2013, 04:53 PM   #1
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The worst camber you've ever seen, help!

Got an alignment and the numbers speak for themselves...

What am I going to do to fix this insanity?

I will be removing my stock 130k+ mile struts (I don't know how they've lasted this long, and still don't feel AWFUL) and I will be replacing them with these

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-325...ont/ES1866463/

I also plan to get strut mounts obviously as well.

Does anyone have tips on what else I should replace to get my stuff back to OEM specs? I have been told my front right strut is completely blown and leaking which is probably why it's so out of whack I'd guess?

I hit a side walk once going 5pm around a turn and thought that could have messed things up, but my BMWofSD said it only bent my control arms and bushing which I replaced.

Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Also if anyone runs these struts, please chime in and let me know how they are. I've found only two people in all of e46fanatics that run these.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:55 PM   #2
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I'm used to reading alignments in degrees, not inches. In any case, it seems that your TOE is out of "whack" not your camber. that's just a matter of tierod adjustment. if maxed out, it's just your control arm that's bent.

stock struts wont affect alignment unless the strut body itself is bent

do i need to do an alignment thread
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:59 PM   #3
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I'm used to reading alignments in degrees, not inches. In any case, it seems that your TOE is out of "whack" not your camber. that's just a matter of tierod adjustment. if maxed out, it's just your control arm that's bent.

stock struts wont affect alignment unless the strut body itself is bent

do i need to do an alignment thread
That would be so helpful. I should just get new tie-rods anyway. Previous owner let way too many things sit way too long on my car. I have new control arms I purchased directly after I hit the side walked and was advised to by BMW themselves.

Thank you though Mango, glad to know it's a matter of tie-rod rather then something "bigger".

+1 for alignment thread!
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That would be so helpful. I should just get new tie-rods anyway. Previous owner let way too many things sit way too long on my car. I have new control arms I purchased directly after I hit the side walked and was advised to by BMW themselves.

Thank you though Mango, glad to know it's a matter of tie-rod rather then something "bigger".

+1 for alignment thread!
Seeing as you hit something, its probably your tierod or control arms. replace both and get an alignment and you should be fine.

I'll see what i can whip up. there's already a great alignment thread on bf.c but it zeroes in (no pun intended) on actual settings for track and what not and not really concepts and what to check, etc. Fiveeightandten (nick) has great alignment threads as well, IIRC
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:09 PM   #5
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I'm used to reading alignments in degrees, not inches. In any case, it seems that your TOE is out of "whack" not your camber. that's just a matter of tierod adjustment. if maxed out, it's just your control arm that's bent.
Actually read that sheet again. The toe was corrected. The caster is a little low and the camber is slightly off. Maybe knocking out the pins on the strut mounts would allow enough room to get it in spec?

Also, OP, those are decent struts. I have them on my ZHP. They are not competition level but seem to soak up the bumps nicely.

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He said the dealer (BMW of San Diego) wasn't able to correct it. Maybe his control arm is bent to the point where the tierod is maxed out. He has a set of control arms and tierods ready to go it seems.
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Actually read that sheet again. The toe was corrected. The caster is a little low and the camber is slightly off. Maybe knocking out the pins on the strut mounts would allow enough room to get it in spec?

Also, OP, those are decent struts. I have them on my ZHP. They are not competition level but seem to soak up the bumps nicely.
I'll try to knock the pins on the strut mount tonight, thanks for that tip. I was going to get camber plates, but if I don't have to...

And Mango! Do an alignment thread please.
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I'll try to knock the pins on the strut mount tonight, thanks for that tip. I was going to get camber plates, but if I don't have to...

And Mango! Do an alignment thread please.
The pins won't affect your toe (at least not in the way you'd want/intend it to)

i'll see what I can do.. i'd start out wanting to give the basics then it would snowball into giving every detail. then i'd end up spending more time than i wanted to
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i'll see what I can do.. i'd start out wanting to give the basics then it would snowball into giving every detail. then i'd end up spending more time than i wanted to
no need, jpr has enough info out on this some 6 years ago.
all these things have been covered in detail, the people who wrote them just aren't around anymore to say "see my links" so someone else has to or a Search performed. imagine that, a Search in the "Suspension Forum" who would have thought
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Mango, like I said, his toe is fine. Read the right hand column that says "Final". You are looking at the before adjustment column.

Hallister, you may want to also consider getting strut tower reinforcement plates. One of my strut towers was mushroomed so I pounded it back down and installed the plates. They are only $20 a pair.
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I'll try to knock the pins on the strut mount tonight, thanks for that tip. I was going to get camber plates, but if I don't have to....
I've not did it before. Only read about it. Be careful. You don't want to f up your mounts. I don't know how hard they are to remove.
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Let me just say that my car never aligned properly until I had pretty much rebuilt my entire suspension. My struts/shocks had 154k miles on them and I'm sure were in worse shape than yours. I have a Meyle HD control arms & bushings, Bilstein Touring shocks/struts, Lemforder strut/shock mounts, Meyle end links, Lemforder tie rod assemblies, and new sway bar bushings and my car drives great. The only thing left to do is the RTAB but I'm saving that for later in the year; my rear end still feels pretty planted with 155k miles and I don't have any of the symptoms of the trailing arm bushings being bad at this point.

Good luck. I had my car aligned at Sale BMW in Kinston and they got it spot on. Car drives like brand new.
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ok looked at it again. was at work so didnt look too closely at initial/after, etc. maybe OP installed taller springs. anyway your car not being within that particular spec is no reason to worry. your car seems to be sitting a bit higher than stock. was this done as soon as the springs and shocks were installed?
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