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View Poll Results: 9mm vs .380
I carry the 9mm 18 78.26%
I carry .380 only 5 21.74%
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:24 AM   #21
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I'm not really into compacts. Smallest I've carried was a cz-82 in 9mak, then a 17rd 9mm, now I carry a full frame glock 20 10mm. Carry it comfortably concealed with a crossbreed iwb holster.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:51 AM   #22
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I would go with the 9mm though. Better ballistics and most compact 9's carry just as much if not more rounds than a .380.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:21 PM   #23
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Does anyone have any insight into what is the best defense ammo for .380 out there at the moment. I've been thinking of occasionally carrying my ppk as a pocket gun lately and I'm not sure what I want to put in it.

I had Federal Hydra-Shoks in it, but I've heard its not great stuff. Latest thing I read was that it was advisable to just use standard FMJ ammo because HPs didn't penetrate far enough to be effective.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:35 AM   #24
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Double sidebar: What are you equipping your wives or girlfriends with? The Ruger LCP .380 is very slim,but if its "not good enough for me" being a 380,is it good enough for Her? I've been looking at pocket carrys like the LCP, Or going sub compact like the Berretta Nano in 9mm,or the G26. She has little firearms experience and is just starting training and CCW licence process.

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Does anyone have any insight into what is the best defense ammo for .380 out there at the moment. I've been thinking of occasionally carrying my ppk as a pocket gun lately and I'm not sure what I want to put in it.

I had Federal Hydra-Shoks in it, but I've heard its not great stuff. Latest thing I read was that it was advisable to just use standard FMJ ammo because HPs didn't penetrate far enough to be effective.
Hydra-Shoks in general are not very good loads. Chances are that with the HS JHPs, they'll actually clog up with heavy clothing and act more like a FMJ. We used to use HS JHPs for duty before we started using the HSTs. The HS performed very poorly in our tests with a lot of issues with jacket separation, fragmentation and clogging. It's better than nothing, though.

If I were to carry a .380, I'd likely carry the following:
CorBon 80gr DPX
Remington 102gr Golden Saber
Hornady Critical Defense 90gr FTX

Truth be told, a .380 will likely perform okay in frontal shots on an adult or teenager of average or thinner build/stature. The issue is that we live in an overweight society, so it's helpful to have the ability to punch through the blubber.
One tactic that I would recommend working on with the .380 are failure drills. Practice following up chest shots with brain shots. Assume that the .380 will fail to stop the threat right away, and be capable of immediate transition to the brain stem.

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Double sidebar: What are you equipping your wives or girlfriends with? The Ruger LCP .380 is very slim,but if its "not good enough for me" being a 380,is it good enough for Her? I've been looking at pocket carrys like the LCP, Or going sub compact like the Berretta Nano in 9mm,or the G26. She has little firearms experience and is just starting training and CCW licence process.
It depends on the skill level of the female. All females in my agency shoot .40S&W, so I have no doubt that a typical female can handle a 9mm. personally, I would have more concern about my wife using a sub-optimal caliber like .380 or .32. Those loads are best described as "better than nothing". The key is to determine what gun size is best for the shooter. There are plenty of guns in 9mm that are almost on par with .380s for size.

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Some people have a tendency to avoid small guns because they can't control them too well. These people are generally the same ones who will get those guns for their womenfolk. There's nothing wrong with a subcompact or pocket rocket pistol, but if you can't control it, she probably can't either. Food for thought.
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Old 03-01-2013, 08:13 PM   #26
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^ Thanks for the informative reply. Knowing that a .380 really is a "better than nothing" round it would be foolish to help set up my lady with a less effective,difficult to control firearm. My Walther PPK S .380 is so picky with ammo I dont trust it for EDC so I went with a Glock 27. If the difference between firing cleanly or firing and jamming is ammo choice or how steady the gun is gripped,then that is not a risk with taking for me. Stack that up against a fat bad guy in a jean jacket,and I would be at a serious disadvantage. 9mm or better from now on.

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Also consider that you can tailor guns to your hands. Glocks and M&Ps can have a grip reduction treatment by many gunsmiths to be much better fitting. There are good guns to have, like the Kahrs and the Beretta Nano, but if you want a double stack, doing a grip reduction could be a way to give better control to someone with a smaller hand, like women tend to have.
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glock 27 is mine. i mean 9mm does work im sure... a .380 just seems a little iffy to me. just go with 9mm at the LEAST. i mean why not? its CHEAPER and more POWER
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I carry a lcp in addition to my g23. That way if it ever came to my wife needing to use it while we are out, i know she won't be intimidated by the glocks larger grip. She confuses the hell out of me and won't get her ccl but wants me to buy her a .38 special??
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I don't know what the budget is but I switched from Glock 19/26 to an HK P2000. It is much thinner and has DA/SA with decocker. Check out the smaller P2000sk model also.

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I plan on carrying my PPQ 9mm. Would like to carry the PPK/S but a 22 round seems weak sauce
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One to the head will do the job... Then no zombie either
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Not necessarily. There are lots of people that that have survived those rounds to the head. Hell- I personally know a retired cop that shot a guy point blank in the grape with a .38 snub-nose and the bullet didn't penetrate the guy's forehead.

And good luck making a head shot when you're in low light, when the target is moving, and you are stressed out.
Buying a round because you plan to only make head shots is akin to buying a boat and going out into the ocean without a life jacket or survival suit because you think you're a good enough captain to not need them.
Why would you buy a round so that you can only effectively count on a low probability shot? Why not buy something that has capability for incapacitation with both low probability (CNS) and high probability (thoracic cavity) target locations?
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I'm thinking of trading off or selling my .380 Walther/Intetarms PPK/S for a Glock 19 or another "Large Capacity Magazine" capable pistol. I love the PPK/S ,but with new potential laws on thier way I may never get to own a proper size 9mm Glock and Mag if it isn't all owned "preban". Then if I get the James Bond itch in the future I can probably find another Walther.

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