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Old 03-20-2013, 02:14 PM   #61
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That's making a lot of assumptions that all farm raised anything is low quality and all farm types are the same. I'd agree with a statement of higher quality products being healthier and tastier, but most of the marketing and classification terms used are way too vague so I can't put much belief behind them.

I was kind of hoping this would be more about good and bad sources of protein rather than splitting hairs, which has pretty much come down to arguing of opinions.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:21 PM   #62
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Like I said earlier, the list is still legitimate (animal proteins, followed by lesser alternatives) then just goes into further detail about quality of source as well.

My personal list for best protein sources on a strict protein quality basis...

Animal Protein
Whey Protein
Casein / Regular Milk Protein / Cottage Cheese

Everything else I don't consider a good source and not worth listing. I'm sure you can understand my opinion of vegetarian / vegan diets lol.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:38 PM   #63
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That's making a lot of assumptions that all farm raised anything is low quality and all farm types are the same. I'd agree with a statement of higher quality products being healthier and tastier, but most of the marketing and classification terms used are way too vague so I can't put much belief behind them.

I was kind of hoping this would be more about good and bad sources of protein rather than splitting hairs, which has pretty much come down to arguing of opinions.
Can't go wrong

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Old 03-20-2013, 09:59 PM   #64
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90% of the food I eat is organic because chemicals. However, I eat Jiffy peanut butter because natural peanut tastes like Lake Michigan beaches.
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90% of the food I eat is organic because chemicals. However, I eat Jiffy peanut butter because natural peanut tastes like Lake Michigan beaches.


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Old 05-08-2013, 08:10 PM   #66
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Figured I'd share what a free range chicken breast looks like... Friggin monster chickens. This is from a farm that would be similar to an Amish farm in the states (we call them Hutterites here).

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Old 05-08-2013, 08:12 PM   #67
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how did that thing taste
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Some of you guys really over-think this stuff.
I didn't see this thread before, but this quote sums it up. You guys are not profession body builders(with an exception of a select few, who know who they are). You're amateurs and rookies at this. No offense, but you won't see a lick of difference between grass fed helda the heffer and if they fed her grain or live mice.


Hit your macros, work out, and sleep. Obviously it's great to have that knowledge, but it won't matter in your progress. Just my humble opinion and trying to be nice but get the point across.

I'm sure dabears or solly will disagree and say how it can make 1% of a difference, but it doesn't. Not work all the hassle.
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From a health standpoint it's leaps and bounds above, as discussed in here. From a muscle building / fat loss standpoint there is no difference
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From a health standpoint it's leaps and bounds above, as discussed in here. From a muscle building / fat loss standpoint there is no difference
There's always going to be a "better" alternative for health standpoint with everything you eat. Majority of us eat healthy as is, with the exception of the garbage can aka Steve.


Its the same with whole foods concept. Trade off is you're going to spend an @ss ton more on the fact the chickens sold there were fed Buffalo bluegrass instead of Kentucky Bluegrass. Horrible example, but you get the point.
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There's always going to be a "better" alternative for health standpoint with everything you eat. Majority of us eat healthy as is, with the exception of the garbage can aka Steve.


Its the same with whole foods concept. Trade off is you're going to spend an @ss ton more on the fact the chickens sold there were fed Buffalo bluegrass instead of Kentucky Bluegrass. Horrible example, but you get the point.
I agree with you, and I have also found a happy medium. If you are eating meats/veggies/fruits/nuts for 80-90% of your meals... I think you are an extremely healthy individual. Doesn't really matter the source.

If all I can get is regular produce from supermarket, I'll buy it. I'd obviously rather still have it in my diet than not. Same with all meat... except for fish. I will not eat farmed fish, I barely ate any over the winter (except for at restaurants). Take fish oil instead.

I also wouldn't buy grass fed beef / free range chickens etc. if my butcher didn't have similar (or in some cases, lower) prices than the supermarket. Because they buy the whole cow, the prices are very fair. About $1/oz for a steak for instance. Plus I can get whatever cut of meat I want (I eat a lot of different stuff). They have elk, bison, goat, duck, etc.

I've never "looked down" on someone for eating regular produce & meat lol. That is ridiculous. But I am definitely not a fan of the industrialized agriculture world, so personally I have found alternatives that are both affordable + work for me.
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I didn't see this thread before, but this quote sums it up. You guys are not profession body builders(with an exception of a select few, who know who they are). You're amateurs and rookies at this. No offense, but you won't see a lick of difference between grass fed helda the heffer and if they fed her grain or live mice.


Hit your macros, work out, and sleep. Obviously it's great to have that knowledge, but it won't matter in your progress. Just my humble opinion and trying to be nice but get the point across.

I'm sure dabears or solly will disagree and say how it can make 1% of a difference, but it doesn't. Not work all the hassle.
This is regarding health. None of us think we'll be lifting more weights the day after we eat some grassfed beef. I don't even buy it because it's expensive but I know it's better for you.

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If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I'd buy the absolute cream of the crop when it comes to healthy foods. Unfortunately my food budget matters, so I select the best balance of health / cost.
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90% of the food I eat is organic because chemicals. However, I eat Jiffy peanut butter because natural peanut tastes like Lake Michigan beaches.
Peter Pan natural peanut butter tastes better than regular imo
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If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I'd buy the absolute cream of the crop when it comes to healthy foods. Unfortunately my food budget matters, so I select the best balance of health / cost.
This is the bottom line. I'm already spending $75 a week on meats/produce.

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I track my food budget in pretty good detail:
Groceries are for both myself and my GF... she paid $150 last month towards it so I added that in. I track what I pay for her restaurants / other foods separately lol. (I can give a detailed breakdown on her cost to me per month )

Groceries for the two of us: $550
Healthy Fast Food: $185 (takeout that fits paleo criteria)
Restaurants: $75
Fast Food: $0 (good month, whewwh)

Total: $800 per month in food. I would say with pretty decent confidence my monthly grocery bill would be about $400 without her involved, so I spend ~$650 give or take a month total on food.
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Peter Pan natural peanut butter tastes better than regular imo
that's sh1t. If you don't have to stir your natural pb it has additives in it making it unhealthy.
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that's sh1t. If you don't have to stir your natural pb it has additives in it making it unhealthy.

+1!! Get that oil-on-the-top-stir-sh|t!!!!
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My biggest issue is time to prepare dinner, Mon-Friday I am out the door before 9am and not home until 9pm at the earliest. I don't want to get home from the gym and have to spend an hour making dinner, that's why I eat 1/2 a pound of chicken breast pan cooked in some olive oil and spices and a bag of frozen microwave-in-the-bag vegetables. Its not 100% organic or from my own garden but it is a lot healthier than what most people eat, and lot healthier than what I was eating a few weeks ago. I usually follow that up with a snack of chocolate rice cakes and peanut butter and maybe some almonds or pretzels.

If money was no object I would buy all my meat and chicken at whole foods, but for my diet, store bought meats are fine for me.
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+1!! Get that oil-on-the-top-stir-sh|t!!!!
i microwave it and stir in some honey. Makes it taste awesome and easy to mix.
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