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Old 04-02-2013, 09:31 PM   #2901
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Anyone here use a CCMG LPK? I picked one up...ordering some tools to do some constructive work possibly this weekend....
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KAC is going to the keymod system for their URX4, which they just announced. I am starting to come around to the keymod system. For whatever reason though, I'm just not digging the Fortis rails. It is crazy lightweight, but it's just too minimalist for my tastes. I've heard good stuff about them, though.


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Anyone here use a CCMG LPK? I picked one up...ordering some tools to do some constructive work possibly this weekend....
Give it a shot and see how it goes, but CMMG would not be my choice for a LPK unless it was the only option. If you have it, does it have a "S" roll mark on the hammer or trigger?
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:02 AM   #2903
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Give it a shot and see how it goes, but CMMG would not be my choice for a LPK unless it was the only option. If you have it, does it have a "S" roll mark on the hammer or trigger?
No, No S mark on it... What does the S mark mean? Only markings on this one are 4 dots in a recessed circle...

It was marked $67.99, got it for $60 cash out the door... A quick search on my phone (which took me to ar15.com) in the store seemed to have ok reviews enough that I bought it.
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The S mark means LW Schneider was a manufacturer of the lower parts. They make parts for a lot of people ranging from DPMS to BCM and Colt. The ALG Defense triggers are made from LW Schneider triggers. The difference is in what grade of steel they use and whether it's a high precision or bulk order of parts.

The dots in the recessed circle I'm not sure about, but I think it may be an indication that it's a MIM part as opposed to a cast part. There's a lot of talk about which one is better, but current casting process is supposed to be a lot more consistent and stronger than MIM.
For reference, Geissele triggers are so awesome because they do neither. They machine their triggers out of tool steel.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:32 PM   #2905
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The S mark means LW Schneider was a manufacturer of the lower parts. They make parts for a lot of people ranging from DPMS to BCM and Colt. The ALG Defense triggers are made from LW Schneider triggers. The difference is in what grade of steel they use and whether it's a high precision or bulk order of parts.

The dots in the recessed circle I'm not sure about, but I think it may be an indication that it's a MIM part as opposed to a cast part. There's a lot of talk about which one is better, but current casting process is supposed to be a lot more consistent and stronger than MIM.
For reference, Geissele triggers are so awesome because they do neither. They machine their triggers out of tool steel.
Short term, I don't want to pay $200 for a trigger. I'm ballin' on a budget.

My quick google search suggested that DPMS & CCMG use the same supplier. I don't think it's the same as whats in my Colt. If my LPK wasn't in my truck at the moment, I'd compare it to my Colt's trigger best I can without tearing down the rifle....

Either way, as long as it makes the rifle go "bang" I'll be happy short term. Long term I can always swap it out....or even better....build another rifle.
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CMMG used to be rebranded DPMS. They allege that that has changed and they are getting their stuff from a different distributor/manufacturer. I have not gotten confirmation on this. Assume that your CMMG is going to be on par with DPMS quality.

Oh, and you do know what CMMG stands for, right?
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CMMG used to be rebranded DPMS. They allege that that has changed and they are getting their stuff from a different distributor/manufacturer. I have not gotten confirmation on this. Assume that your CMMG is going to be on par with DPMS quality.

Oh, and you do know what CMMG stands for, right?
Central Missouri Machine Gun?

Like I said, if I don't like the trigger, I know that's an easy swap later down the road & keep that kit for spares.... or something!
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What's funny is that they want people to believe this. It's not their name though.


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What's funny is that they want people to believe this. It's not their name though.




You posted that on here before otherwise I would have never known No idea where you posted it, but probably buried in this thread somewhere. I read they changed the name to just officially CMMG Inc. though don't know if it's true or not.
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A little digging....seems as if they're big fans of the movie. Damn. lol
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I have the QMS on my 16" lightweight, and I'm just like you where I just want more Geissele. Their triggers are just that good. I'm going to get the Super TRICON, but it just depends on what it will go. I am still trying to get an SR-25, and I would likely replace the KAC 2-stage with the Super TRICON.
How do you like the qms? And have you tried the newer g2s? I'll have 5 geissele triggers in my builds...but can't really afford 5 more geissele triggers right now.(need to build all my lowers out so I will be safe with marylands lovely new laws. Am I better off just using real cheap triggers and slowly replacing them or are the alg triggers decent?
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On one hand, I think that name is kinda fun, as if it was thought up by a couple of college roommates during a night of drinking.
On the other hand, that name has a certain mall ninja feel to it.

It's sort of like an 80's "guy movie" where they give the main character or other supporting good guy a cool or tough sounding name just to be badass. As an example, it's basically an movie that Arnold Schwarzenegger starred in where he wasn't trying to be a funny teacher. "Matrix" in Commando, "Dutch" in Predator, Steven Seagal as "Mason Storm" in Hard to Kill, etc. Maybe the CMMG guys were trying to do the same thing...
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How do you like the qms? And have you tried the newer g2s? I'll have 5 geissele triggers in my builds...but can't really afford 5 more geissele triggers right now.(need to build all my lowers out so I will be safe with marylands lovely new laws. Am I better off just using real cheap triggers and slowly replacing them or are the alg triggers decent?
ALG markets their triggers as a "milspec alternative" type trigger that could be used to directly replace a milspec trigger. This is primarily aimed at LE applications to adhere to agency policies, though it could have some military applications at the individual unit level outside of the special operations umbrella. The standard milspec trigger is rated to be between 5.5-9lbs. Pretty much every trigger I've tested comes in between 7-8lbs. The ALG is right at 5.5lbs, and is milspec construction and design, so it's a trigger that gives you that precision while still being able to adhere to restrictive agency policies.

From my experience, that's the perfect description of what that trigger does. It's basically a cleaner, crisper milspec trigger. It's not some special custom trigger where you'll notice a big difference. The geometry is the same, as is the creep and overtravel.
If I compare my QMS to my SD-C, the SD-C at 4.5lbs feels like a true high quality custom match/precision trigger while the QMS at 5.5lbs feels like a normal milspec trigger. I would take a QMS/ACT over a normal milspec trigger any day of the week. However, if you had a milspec trigger and had the option of a QMS/ACT or a full on Geissele SSA/SD-C/etc, buying a QMS or ACT would really be pointless and a waste of money because it's not a very big difference.
I would liken it to getting new tires on your BMW for performance driving. The milspec trigger is like a set of normal Passenger All-Seasons. The QMS/ACT is like upgrading to a set of Grand Touring All-Seasons. The Geissele is like switching completely over to an Extreme or Max Performance Summer tire. I consider it that much of a difference. JMHO.
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On one hand, I think that name is kinda fun, as if it was thought up by a couple of college roommates during a night of drinking.
On the other hand, that name has a certain mall ninja feel to it.

It's sort of like an 80's "guy movie" where they give the main character or other supporting good guy a cool or tough sounding name just to be badass. As an example, it's basically an movie that Arnold Schwarzenegger starred in where he wasn't trying to be a funny teacher. "Matrix" in Commando, "Dutch" in Predator, Steven Seagal as "Mason Storm" in Hard to Kill, etc. Maybe the CMMG guys were trying to do the same thing...
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ALG markets their triggers as a "milspec alternative" type trigger that could be used to directly replace a milspec trigger. This is primarily aimed at LE applications to adhere to agency policies, though it could have some military applications at the individual unit level outside of the special operations umbrella. The standard milspec trigger is rated to be between 5.5-9lbs. Pretty much every trigger I've tested comes in between 7-8lbs. The ALG is right at 5.5lbs, and is milspec construction and design, so it's a trigger that gives you that precision while still being able to adhere to restrictive agency policies.

From my experience, that's the perfect description of what that trigger does. It's basically a cleaner, crisper milspec trigger. It's not some special custom trigger where you'll notice a big difference. The geometry is the same, as is the creep and overtravel.
If I compare my QMS to my SD-C, the SD-C at 4.5lbs feels like a true high quality custom match/precision trigger while the QMS at 5.5lbs feels like a normal milspec trigger. I would take a QMS/ACT over a normal milspec trigger any day of the week. However, if you had a milspec trigger and had the option of a QMS/ACT or a full on Geissele SSA/SD-C/etc, buying a QMS or ACT would really be pointless and a waste of money because it's not a very big difference.
I would liken it to getting new tires on your BMW for performance driving. The milspec trigger is like a set of normal Passenger All-Seasons. The QMS/ACT is like upgrading to a set of Grand Touring All-Seasons. The Geissele is like switching completely over to an Extreme or Max Performance Summer tire. I consider it that much of a difference. JMHO.
I know. Argh focking maryland. Eventually everyone of my lowers will have a baddass safety and geissele trigger as I see them as 2 of the best upgrades you can buy. I guess I'll just throw in whatever cheap mil spec triggers I can find for my spare lowers and build them out and down the row I'll upgrade them all eventually. and I guess it's not a big deal, I'll have years to change out the triggers just want to be able to pass them down to my kids since it will be the only way they can get them in md.
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Anyone familiar with CMMG's customer service?

There was a part missing in my LPK. I'm bummed, drove a half hour to the shop to put it together (vices & such are there... along with all the "nice" tools that I don't have at home)

Step 1.... missing parts. damnnnitttt...

I emailed the tech address right away and will likely call them in the morning...
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