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Old 04-04-2013, 07:31 PM   #1
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My campus is hosting a talk about sexual harrassment in the US Military

http://www.socialweb.net/Clients/Ass...asso?id=155046


I don't particularly know what to do with my frustrations regarding this. I can't help but feel offended by this. The ad that I've seen posted all over campus by the highly liberal sociology department has a picture of a marine in what looks to be ripped from google in a deployed setting; then a title "The Invisible War, the battle faced by woman regarding sexual assault in the military"

What actual fvck is this needed on campus for? I do admit that I have NOT done my research, and can only base my opinion off of what I know. With that being said, the military is roughly 1% of the country. Thats roughly 3 million service members if I remember correctly. If you take that number, compare it to the number of male service members sexually assaulting females, I can almost GUARANTEE that it is less than 1%, and those convicted of sexual assault in the military, probably less than half a percent of the military. Why do we have a talk about actions taken by less than 1% of the military? To make all us students look bad at the military? To scowl at service members? Think bad about the war? What is it? I simply do not get the purpose, or motivation. I cannot say I'm even a little bit surprised its the sociology department funding this talk.

A marine in my politics of just war class today gave a presentation on his role in the Helmand Province in Afghanistan, only thing is he was standing with a cane because he lost his right leg, he's 23 years old and trying to get an education after giving his leg for our country. How would he feel about seeing these posters? Seeing the school he attends bash his service for actions some scumbags decided to do in the military... it makes me sick.

I know nothing I can do or say will get them to revoke the planned event, but is it even worth it to send a very respectful email to the chair of the even letting him or her know that the topic is rather offensive? On this campus alone, I'm an RA here and deal with cases pretty frequently, sexual harassment by sports teams is incredibly common. I don't see why we couldn't host a topic of sexual assault on campus, in the city, in our area, why are we targeting the military? It happens everywhere. It is not fair to bash the military publicly to push this liberal agenda. I'm torn on what to do, maybe I'll attend the event and ask really damaging questions to their campaign, I don't know what to do but I'm frustrated.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:51 PM   #2
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Sexual harassment in the military has been an ongoing problem for decades. It's not disrespectful to the service to examine the problem--you could argue that it's hugely disrespectful to the people (not just women) who have been harassed in the service to try to shut down discussion about it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #3
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Sexual harassment in the military has been an ongoing problem for decades. It's not disrespectful to the service to examine the problem--you could argue that it's hugely disrespectful to the people (not just women) who have been harassed in the service to try to shut down discussion about it.
That's true. And certainly a valid point there that I hadn't given much thought towards. I suppose my frustration comes from the seemed targeting of the military over other areas where sexual harassment is a problem.

As in, what would be so bad about a talk examining sexual harassment as a whole, with numerous locations of its existence? Including the military would certainly be valid there. I just struggle to wrap my head around the idea that they just advertise a marine in uniform and then label what that stands for as a negative entity in itself due to sexual harassment, when its such a low % of actual members doing it.

But a valid point I'm willing to accept none the less
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That's true. And certainly a valid point there that I hadn't given much thought towards. I suppose my frustration comes from the seemed targeting of the military over other areas where sexual harassment is a problem.

As in, what would be so bad about a talk examining sexual harassment as a whole, with numerous locations of its existence? Including the military would certainly be valid there. I just struggle to wrap my head around the idea that they just advertise a marine in uniform and then label what that stands for as a negative entity in itself due to sexual harassment, when its such a low % of actual members doing it.

But a valid point I'm willing to accept none the less
It all depends on how they discuss it. I can easily see how, depending on who presents the subject, it could turn into a general military-bashing session. If that's the case, then maybe a complaint would be in order.

You should definitely attend. It might be a good learning experience on several levels.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:10 PM   #5
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like vaderdave said, sexual harassment is definitely a large problem in the military, and it's magnified by the nature of the military, as a "one team, one fight" organization.

I'd attend. I'd probably get a bit offended because, most likely, there will be some hyperbole and exaggeration from over-zealous panel members. But it is an extremely sensitive, and very important, subject to discuss.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:14 PM   #6
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I may attend just to have an open mind. Then perhaps if it is discussed or completely overdone by means stated in here, an email may be in order. I will do the best I can to use a 3rd party perspective and not discard what I hear as wrong just because of my preconceived notions, but it will be difficult.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:55 PM   #7
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I don't particularly know what to do with my frustrations regarding this. I can't help but feel offended by this. The ad that I've seen posted all over campus by the highly liberal sociology department has a picture of a marine in what looks to be ripped from google in a deployed setting; then a title "The Invisible War, the battle faced by woman regarding sexual assault in the military"

What actual fvck is this needed on campus for? I do admit that I have NOT done my research, and can only base my opinion off of what I know. With that being said, the military is roughly 1% of the country. Thats roughly 3 million service members if I remember correctly. If you take that number, compare it to the number of male service members sexually assaulting females, I can almost GUARANTEE that it is less than 1%, and those convicted of sexual assault in the military, probably less than half a percent of the military. Why do we have a talk about actions taken by less than 1% of the military? To make all us students look bad at the military? To scowl at service members? Think bad about the war? What is it? I simply do not get the purpose, or motivation. I cannot say I'm even a little bit surprised its the sociology department funding this talk.

A marine in my politics of just war class today gave a presentation on his role in the Helmand Province in Afghanistan, only thing is he was standing with a cane because he lost his right leg, he's 23 years old and trying to get an education after giving his leg for our country. How would he feel about seeing these posters? Seeing the school he attends bash his service for actions some scumbags decided to do in the military... it makes me sick.

I know nothing I can do or say will get them to revoke the planned event, but is it even worth it to send a very respectful email to the chair of the even letting him or her know that the topic is rather offensive? On this campus alone, I'm an RA here and deal with cases pretty frequently, sexual harassment by sports teams is incredibly common. I don't see why we couldn't host a topic of sexual assault on campus, in the city, in our area, why are we targeting the military? It happens everywhere. It is not fair to bash the military publicly to push this liberal agenda. I'm torn on what to do, maybe I'll attend the event and ask really damaging questions to their campaign, I don't know what to do but I'm frustrated.
That is where you should have stopped.

Also no one is questioning anyone's service. As pointed out it is a real problem in the military, but there are also exaggerations.

How is discussing sexual assault in the military part of the "liberal agenda". I think you should quickly drop that attitude, and attend with an open mind. I am assuming you have never been in the military?
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:59 PM   #8
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It's a discussion panel.
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Good. Here is some advice. Don't do this:

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It is not fair to bash the military publicly to push this liberal agenda. I'm torn on what to do, maybe I'll attend the event and ask really damaging questions to their campaign, I don't know what to do but I'm frustrated.
Not only will that make you look like an ass. What do you have to prove by doing it? Don't let your sympathy for those that have served treat this as an issue that isn't real or deserve attention. It has damaged many lives and careers of those that have served as well.
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It's a discussion panel.
I know, but these things are usually full of hyperbole and misinformed cause heads just pontificating for the sake of being outraged.
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Your "don't bash the military, they serve our country" approach isn't going to make any difference. In fact, IF the panel has an agenda to make the entire military look bad, you'll play right into their message.

Part of their pitch might be "these military guys think just because they've volunteered to serve the country, they can do anything they want, including rape female service members." If they're trying to sell everyone on that message, and you stand up and say "don't bash the military, they serve our country", you're just going to give them someone to point to and say "see, he's one of them."

If you want to object to this event, you need to use objective facts to show that this isn't where the university should be expending it's resources.

It's probably a safe bet that sexual abuse and harassment is more of an issue on college campuses than in the military. So, using objective, unbiased data, you could present the # of incidences in the military vs the # of incidences on college campuses and ask why this film/discussion was prioritized higher than an aspect of this subject that might be much more relevant to you and your classmates.

But if it's already scheduled, and it's you vs the chair of the sociology dept, you may be fighting way out of your weight class. You may be best served by attending the event, having an open mind, keeping your mouth shut and just taking it all in. If you leave the event feeling like it was an unfair bashing, you can complain to the school (in a formal, objective way) after the fact.
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I don't particularly know what to do with my frustrations regarding this. I can't help but feel offended by this.
You should be offended that it's been an on-going problem.
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You just enlisted in the military...

1) congrats! Which service?

2) Since you've only been in for roughly 3 months, how can you really be offended? Keep an open mind. Sexual harassment is an issue in the military. It is a sensitive topic that no one likes to discuss, let alone in public, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve any less attention.

A friend/colleague of mine was a victim of assault. She was a Marine Officer too. It affected her greatly, especially the psychological and emotional damage it caused at the time. Fortunately she's a very strong person and was able to have a successful career and life after the military.
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I am sure there is way more sexual harassment at one Frat party than in a military unit in an entire year.
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Maybe the panel should focus on sexual harassment of women in general and make the issue of women in the military a side topic.

It might be more effective considering that women only constitute about 20 percent of a population group of 2.5 M (active and reserve ).
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how about do some research before-hand (cases), note sources, and go in with an open mind. Then if it's not done professionally, at least you'll have some ammo to confront with. When they bring up a victim, you can bring up how the problem was addressed, preventative measures, etc.

Regardless, it's a topic worth addressing. If you respect the US military like I do, you'll agree that we should be held to a higher standard than the rest of society, and any cases of sexual harassment/assault should disgust you... regardless of how infrequently it may occur.

...except marines. those guys just can't help themselves.

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