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Old 04-10-2013, 07:43 AM   #21
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Why was it:

1. Loaded
2. Put on the bed with a damn toddler in the household?

You do not keep your gun loaded when stored. That is irresponsible.

Every time your eyes leave the gun, you check the chamber.
Every time you put the gun into storage, you check the chamber.
Every you put the gun away, you unload it.
Every time there are little kids in your home, you don't place your gun in a child-accessible location, even for a second.

inb4 "BUT BUT BUT I NEED FAST ACCESS TO IT!111ONE"

Then buy a quick-releasing safe and have the magazine next to it. Problem solved.

You don't want to follow these rules? Then you're not responsible enough to own an item designed to effectively take someone's life. This stuff is gun safety course 101.

Wut?
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Old 04-10-2013, 08:21 AM   #22
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As I've told my wife's sister:

I have a loaded gun in pretty much every room of the house.

Regardless of that fact, I don't let toddlers wander around my house unsupervised. We have stairs, cats, a dog, furniture, electronics, wall outlets, knives, forks, and small bits of random things that can fit in a mouth. All of which are potentially lethal to a toddler.

It finally got through to her, as she told my wife a couple weeks ago that as soon as he's old enough, he's going to come spend time with uncle mike at the range.
So many Americans live in fear. A gun in every room in the house? Really? Do you live in a war zone? Oh wait...they are for self defence. Defence against what? The Taliban?

God I am so glad I do not live in America, especially with a terrified, paraniod and heavily armed man as a neighbour.

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Why was it:

1. Loaded
2. Put on the bed with a damn toddler in the household?

You do not keep your gun loaded when stored. That is irresponsible.

Every time your eyes leave the gun, you check the chamber.
Every time you put the gun into storage, you check the chamber.
Every you put the gun away, you unload it.
Every time there are little kids in your home, you don't place your gun in a child-accessible location, even for a second.

inb4 "BUT BUT BUT I NEED FAST ACCESS TO IT!111ONE"

Then buy a quick-releasing safe and have the magazine next to it. Problem solved.

You don't want to follow these rules? Then you're not responsible enough to own an item designed to effectively take someone's life. This stuff is gun safety course 101.
Are you describing your home or a gun range?
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So many Americans live in fear. A gun in every room in the house? Really? Do you live in a war zone? Oh wait...they are for self defence. Defence against what? The Taliban?

God I am so glad I do not live in America, especially with a terrified, paraniod and heavily armed man as a neighbour.

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How does it feel to be ignorant?

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Why was it:

1. Loaded
2. Put on the bed with a damn toddler in the household?

You do not keep your gun loaded when stored. That is irresponsible.

Every time your eyes leave the gun, you check the chamber.
Every time you put the gun into storage, you check the chamber.
Every you put the gun away, you unload it.
Every time there are little kids in your home, you don't place your gun in a child-accessible location, even for a second.

inb4 "BUT BUT BUT I NEED FAST ACCESS TO IT!111ONE"

Then buy a quick-releasing safe and have the magazine next to it. Problem solved.

You don't want to follow these rules? Then you're not responsible enough to own an item designed to effectively take someone's life. This stuff is gun safety course 101.
I'll just quote JJ... "LOL"
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:03 AM   #27
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So many Americans live in fear. A gun in every room in the house? Really? Do you live in a war zone? Oh wait...they are for self defence. Defence against what? The Taliban?

God I am so glad I do not live in America, especially with a terrified, paraniod and heavily armed man as a neighbour.

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Old 04-10-2013, 09:23 AM   #28
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Why was it:

1. Loaded
2. Put on the bed with a damn toddler in the household?

You do not keep your gun loaded when stored. That is irresponsible.

Every time your eyes leave the gun, you check the chamber.
Every time you put the gun into storage, you check the chamber.
Every you put the gun away, you unload it.
Every time there are little kids in your home, you don't place your gun in a child-accessible location, even for a second.

inb4 "BUT BUT BUT I NEED FAST ACCESS TO IT!111ONE"

Then buy a quick-releasing safe and have the magazine next to it. Problem solved.

You don't want to follow these rules? Then you're not responsible enough to own an item designed to effectively take someone's life. This stuff is gun safety course 101.
what harm is a loaded gun in a safe? is it going to shoot it's way out and kill someone?

i'm going to do a magazine and press check as soon as i take it out anyways.
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why was it chambered and why was the safety off. Either of these two simple safety features were followed, that 4 YO would not have killed someone. (accident or not) and I would think 4 YO is old enough to remember that for a while.
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what harm is a loaded gun in a safe? is it going to shoot it's way out and kill someone?

i'm going to do a magazine and press check as soon as i take it out anyways.
All of you obviously didn't take any gun safety courses. None of you should be owning guns

I treat my guns like they're designed for: to kill someone. So I make sure that incidents like this aren't going to happen through redundancy. It's called being a responsible gun owner. Try it some time.
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All of you obviously didn't take any gun safety courses. None of you should be owning guns

I treat my guns like they're designed for: to kill someone. So I make sure that incidents like this aren't going to happen through redundancy. It's called being a responsible gun owner. Try it some time.
So you're saying gun safety courses should also be mandatory before purchasing?
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So you're saying gun safety courses should also be mandatory before purchasing?
Why in your right mind wouldn't you take a gun safety course before purchasing a firearm? It's like maybe an hour, two max of your time to read, hear, watch, and understand how to safely operate a firearm.

Are you saying that you shouldn't?

The irony of gun owners on this forum:

Any time a story like this shows up where someone gets killed from a gun, everyone whines "It's because they were irresponsible gun owners!" One person comes on here talking about the multitude of things he does to stop incidents like this from happening, and you think it's hilarious. Good logic.

E46Fanatics - the Honda community of gun owners. Keep staying classy, I'm sure you all are going to be excellent examples of how to keep gun rights from being infringed.
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All of you obviously didn't take any gun safety courses. None of you should be owning guns

I treat my guns like they're designed for: to kill someone. So I make sure that incidents like this aren't going to happen through redundancy. It's called being a responsible gun owner. Try it some time.

If you are that paranoid about storing a loaded gun, you are too paranoid to own a firearm. I'm all for safety and ensuring whether a firearm is loaded or not, but to say it is irresponsible to have a loaded gun in a quick access safe is simply false. I have at least 4 loaded guns in my house right now that my toddlers cannot access. Feel free to call the cops on me.
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If you are that paranoid about storing a loaded gun, you are too paranoid to own a firearm.
I have zero reason to store a loaded gun when the loaded magazine is right next to it. You can, that's your call, but if you keep it loaded and then take it out for your buddies to see, still loaded, that's stupid. The way I do it, I don't need to ever worry about it. I don't know about you, but I don't like killing my friends, or myself. But that's just me. I think that's something I'm allowed to be paranoid about, wouldn't you agree?

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So did the guy in the article, yet the toddler still shot someone. Why?

- Gun loaded
- Put it on his bed when it was in the house with toddlers around, given that it was loaded

If it wasn't loaded, the kid couldn't have shot it.
If it wasn't put on the bed where it was easily reachable, the kid couldn't have shot it.

We could go on and on with scenarios all the way up to the point of "if guns didn't exist, the kid couldn't have shot anyone," but it could've been prevented very easily through some really simple steps.

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I never said it should be illegal. learn2read

Also irony: I'm a paranoid gun owner, yet you keep four loaded guns in your house. I didn't realize you're defending yourself regularly from constant burglaries and break-ins. Maybe you should move to a better neighborhood with less crime?
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why was it chambered and why was the safety off. Either of these two simple safety features were followed, that 4 YO would not have killed someone. (accident or not) and I would think 4 YO is old enough to remember that for a while.
What good is a unloaded gun for self defense?

You dont even know what kind of gun it was. Lots of guns dont have your hollywood safety switch.
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If you're not sleeping on a loaded and chambered gun under your pillow at night then it's already too late. Someone is already breaking into your home as we speak. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, you will die every time if you're not already locked and loaded.
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The police did nothing wrong. It's the four year old who murdered that woman in cold blood.
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I treat my guns like they're designed for: to kill someone. So I make sure that incidents like this aren't going to happen through redundancy. It's called being a responsible gun owner. Try it some time.
i treat my guns as if they are always loaded, so it really doesn't matter if there is a bullet in the chamber or not when its sitting in a locked safe, does it?

i'm not talking about when i'm showing it to a friend, getting ready to clean them, or any other function. i'm talking about securing it loaded, and when i might need to utilize it, it is ready. and the next time i handle it for any other reason, it simply gets unloaded, since i'll be checking it again when i take possession of it from my safe.
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