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Old 04-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #41
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Do you think black bosses hire more blacks? Do Jewish bosses hire more Jews? It isn't just the man that does this, everyone does it. Every black judge I work with (which is many) has an all black staff. Every religious Jewish judge has all Jewish staff. Don't act like this is all white people shenanigans, real white people don't even like Italian and Irish.
You are the one that brought up "the black kid". Now you want to get pi$$y because I used your example. Puhleez.

I never said it was "just the man" or "this is all white people shenanigans".
I am the one who said the game is rigged. You claim it isn't. Yet here you are spouting examples of the "rigged" behaviors and circumstances you previously claim don't exist.

Condemned by your own arguments...comedy gold as always AofG.

Tell me, how is that petard of yours you hoisted yourself on to?
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Old 04-13-2013, 01:54 AM   #42
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You are the one that brought up "the black kid". Now you want to get pi$$y because I used your example. Puhleez.

I never said it was "just the man" or "this is all white people shenanigans".
I am the one who said the game is rigged. You claim it isn't. Yet here you are spouting examples of the "rigged" behaviors and circumstances you previously claim don't exist.

Condemned by your own arguments...comedy gold as always AofG.

Tell me, how is that petard of yours you hoisted yourself on to?
aka no response, gotcha. Not shocked, you are what you are.
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Old 04-13-2013, 01:35 PM   #43
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aka no response, gotcha. Not shocked, you are what you are.

What part of the game is rigged and I never said it was exclusive to "the man" or "white people" did you miss?

Again, you must remember a rigged game is not one you can't win, but, one where your chances are reduced by the rig.
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What part of the game is rigged and I never said it was exclusive to "the man" or "white people" did you miss?

Again, you must remember a rigged game is not one you can't win, but, one where your chances are reduced by the rig.
hard work > rig
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:25 PM   #45
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hard work > rig
I concur.

But you admit that the game is rigged?

While economics are not the only "rigging factor", IMO, they are the most common "rigging factor". I stand by my statement.
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You (and the GOP) need to get that through your heads. As soon as you understand, yes, the system is rigged. That doesn't mean auto-failure. But it does mean those on the bottom are more likely to stay on the bottom. It means that if the kid who starts out in the economic bottom 20% works as hard as the kid who starts out in the economic top 20%, chances are amazingly high that the kid that started out in the top 20% is going to fair better, even if they work equally as hard. That is how the system works. If you start near the bottom of the economic ladder, your best chance is just to try and do better and maybe your next generation can start out at the 30% or 50% mark on the economic ladder. Yeah, there are going to be those that "land on chance or the community chest" and make that economic leap in a single generation. But, those odds are slim. (Lets face it, they are.)

The game is rigged. OK. So what. Accept that and then, and only then, can we move on from it. To continue to deny that its not is just as much a part of the problem.
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Ah, yeah. But college still isn't a guarantee of success. They're still going to face discrimination and prejudice for the rest of their working lives.

Look at it this way, the average black college graduate makes 52k per year. The average white college graduate makes 73k per year. Source: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpsta...pinc04_000.htm

If a black person looks at that data, how do you think they would explain that income disparity? That they are less hard working than whites? That they're less intelligent than whites? Chances are, they'll think that because whites have always been the dominant (and therefore normal) racial demographic in the United States, that they have an ingrained advantage in our current economic system.

When black people go into a job interview, they have to contend with a lot of baggage associated with their race. Because black people have stereotypes on their work ethic, attitude, speech that get engrained both in their minds and the mind of their prospective employer. If you think that doesn't exist or that it doesn't affect outcomes, you're wrong. It does.
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Will you learn to read. Just because a game is rigged doesn't mean one can't win. It means the odds of winning are longer. It is not just the GOP that needs to understand this, the DNC needs to as well. Admit that the game is rigged and nothing is going to change that the game is rigged. All that might maybe be done is make the odds a bit closer to even. (However, the discussion was specifically around the GOP.)

Hard work and perseverance aren't always enough, they usually aren't enough. If they were most small businesses and start-ups wouldn't fail. And yet, even given the high failure rate, people continue to try.

Either extreme position (auto-fail or its not rigged) is absurd.
Is this a joke?
I pity anyone who looks at life as a "rigged game" and even with perseverance they will never succeed, how ****ing pathetic and they rightly deserve no success. Having an attitude like that does an injustice to those of all races who go through life's trial and tribulations which far exceed simply being born black.
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Is this a joke?
I pity anyone who looks at life as a "rigged game" and even with perseverance they will never succeed, how ****ing pathetic and they rightly deserve no success. Having an attitude like that does an injustice to those of all races who go through life's trial and tribulations which far exceed simply being born black.
Take a look to the left.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:27 PM   #48
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Is this a joke?
I pity anyone who looks at life as a "rigged game" and even with perseverance they will never succeed, how ****ing pathetic and they rightly deserve no success. Having an attitude like that does an injustice to those of all races who go through life's trial and tribulations which far exceed simply being born black.
Your reading skills are less than pathetic.
"Just because a game is rigged doesn't mean one can't win. It means the odds of winning are longer."

If you truly think going from the bottom 10% to the top 10% take ONLY hard work and perseverance, you need some life experience. It takes a bit of luck, timing, right place at the right time.

As I said, if hard work and perseverance guaranteed success more companies would make it rather than not.

The game is rigged. That is not an injustice to anybody. It is not right or wrong, good or bad. It simply is. Accept it and move on. Accept that in a given circumstance there is never a truly "level playing field". Sometimes the odds might be in your favor, other times not. Is it fair? Hell no. But anybody who ever told you life was fair was a freakin liar.
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Always love to hear from people born on third base in life who think they hit a home run when they become successful.

Yes, people coming from the lowest and meanest of circumstance can do well through dint of intelligence and hard work alone, rarely. But those are the notable and noble exceptions and hardly the rule upon which we ought to base societal policy. Statistics have clearly shown just what an immense leg up having chosen wealthy parents can have on a child's outcomes. Is it a guarentee of success? No, but boy does it stack the odds in ones favor. Good for people who are born of more exalted circumstance who don't squander that head start, work hard and continue that line of success and contributing to society, but don't confuse their life struggles and chance of success with one born of the housing project with an empty plastic spoon in her mouth with one born to the manor with a full silver spoon in her mouth.
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Always love to hear from people born on third base in life who think they hit a home run when they become successful.


I'm stealing that.
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I'm stealing that.
He didn't make it up
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Good line, but yeah, not my own.

I seem to recall it being used when Romney was bemoaning the hardships of having to liquidate some of his stocks while in school to help pay for tuition and the house he was living in. I mean, what college student even has any stocks much less enough to float college tuition and a mortgage/rent. Most college students are working crappy jobs, depending on student loans and living with three smelly dudes in some two bedroom walkup apartment. And these are the more fortunate ones that can even afford college at all.
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Always love to hear from people born on third base in life who think they hit a home run when they become successful.

Yes, people coming from the lowest and meanest of circumstance can do well through dint of intelligence and hard work alone, rarely. But those are the notable and noble exceptions and hardly the rule upon which we ought to base societal policy. Statistics have clearly shown just what an immense leg up having chosen wealthy parents can have on a child's outcomes. Is it a guarentee of success? No, but boy does it stack the odds in ones favor. Good for people who are born of more exalted circumstance who don't squander that head start, work hard and continue that line of success and contributing to society, but don't confuse their life struggles and chance of success with one born of the housing project with an empty plastic spoon in her mouth with one born to the manor with a full silver spoon in her mouth.
I started somewhere between 1st and 2nd base...just trying to make a name for myself.
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Your reading skills are less than pathetic.
"Just because a game is rigged doesn't mean one can't win. It means the odds of winning are longer."

If you truly think going from the bottom 10% to the top 10% take ONLY hard work and perseverance, you need some life experience. It takes a bit of luck, timing, right place at the right time.

As I said, if hard work and perseverance guaranteed success more companies would make it rather than not.

The game is rigged. That is not an injustice to anybody. It is not right or wrong, good or bad. It simply is. Accept it and move on. Accept that in a given circumstance there is never a truly "level playing field". Sometimes the odds might be in your favor, other times not. Is it fair? Hell no. But anybody who ever told you life was fair was a freakin liar.
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Hard work and perseverance aren't always enough, they usually aren't enough.
My reading skills are pathetic? We obviously come from opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to motivation and beliefs in oneself.
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