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Old 04-08-2013, 12:29 PM   #1
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In-Ceiling speakers for 7.1

Setup is going to be in my basement, the room does not have a rear wall or left wall. Little over 8" high with a lighted tray.

Would ceiling speakers with direction tweeters suffice instead of on-wall mounting for rear and surround speakers? I was looking at the Polk RCi series and RT.
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7.1 is a waste of money IMO.

Take the money you were going to spend and upgrade your other speakers.

JMO.

If you want to do it, Polk makes speakers for that. Look at the FX versions.

http://www.polkaudio.com/products/home-theater/surround
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:05 PM   #3
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Thanks. Your opinion is 7.1 is not significant better than 5.1?
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Thanks. Your opinion is 7.1 is not significant better than 5.1?
No, it only works on certain blu ray movies that are encoded with it. The idea was fantastic, but it just never caught on. Maybe in the future there will be more available, but you can always add on later.

I have 7.1 and I converted it back to 5.1 by having two rear lefts and two rear rights.

Check if your receiver can use the two extra channels to biamp the fronts or for another pair outside or another room.

JMO though.

PS - a lot depends on your room, quality, and setup. My fronts are 14' in front and my back rears are 14' behind the main couch. I have a left center and a right center on each side of the tv. My subs are left and right of my couch in the middle of the room. For my setup, I dont really like speakers above me for the side channels.
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Thanks. This is actually a new build out still in studs with electrical finishing Friday, I have not purchased anything yet. I'm finding I have to jump a head with speaker selections because of the placement difference between on-ceiling/in-ceiling. I really wish I could place speakers to the side but I cannot. I have on-ceiling up stairs and I'm not to impressed, hopefully the directionals make a difference. I think I will hold off on purchasing the 2 additional speakers, save the $500 and buy them a few later months after I'm settled in.

I have been leaning toward an Onyko 770 which would allow for 7.2 and 2 channel continuous but nothing is set in stone.
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Just prewire for them and add later if desired.
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Any opinion on the 770?
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Any opinion on the 770?
I am not familiar with a 770.

I have a Onkyo 876 with a seperate power amp. It has been a great receiver although my HDMI is screwed up. Same thing happened with my Marantz receiver. I freakin hate HDMI. Always have, always will.

I only use HDMI for my Blu Ray, so I just ran the HDMI straight to the TV and ran the audio into the receiver. If I were to replace my receiver, I think the Onkyo NR809 (last year's model) for $659 from Amazon would be the best value. There have been some defect issues at random, I would probably buy an extended warranty. At $659 it is $500 off MSRP.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR809...onkyo+receiver


ACTUALLY, this may be a better bet.....

NR717 for $583 (reg $999)

It is newer and has better reviews for defect ratio.


http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR717...keywords=nr818
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Nice find. I believe 717 was the one I was originally looking at, I confused it for the 707.

Couple questions for ya-

Do more expensive receivers offer higher quality sound? I figured I would get the features I want and focus on better speakers.

At what point should someone consider running all their speaker wire and home theater stuff into a dedicated, easily accessible closet?
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Receivers do vary in quality, but speakers will make a bigger difference for the money. Any $500+ receiver will be fine. Of course, I would rather have a $1000 receiver discounted to $500.

Generally, more expensive receivers will give you more inputs, better processing, and more flexibility.

Realisticly, budget $500 for receiver and $1000 on speakers and $500 on a sub for a great starter system. every dollar over that should be spent in a 3-5:1 ratio on speakers vs receiver. make sense?

So if you had $3000 budget: do like 750 receiver and 750 for sub, 1500 speakers.

$4000 budget: $1000 receiver, $1000 sub, $2000 in speakers.

Etc....

AV rack... Up to you. I will always have a dedicated rack, but I have a ton of gear, a ton. Like 15 components. All you need is more wire and a Xantech IR repeater and/or an RF remote or iPad. It's nice to not see all your gear lit up when you watch tv.

Have you seen my system?

(excuse ipad typos)
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Thanks- Understood, the numbers make sense. My budget is pretty loose but in the back of my mind with rough calculations I was at 2-3k.

I have not seen your system, drop in a link .

My basement is poured concrete about 8.5', there is a dip along a wall that when roughed in is 92"x100"x24" where an entertainment center is being built in w/ rock and finish wood. I was debating about separate closet but I am going to run all wires back to the ecenter and hide the devices with RF. I'm still thinking out how I'm going to get some air circulation in the cabinet.

Do you use an iPad solution at all?
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You can get fans that blow out the front of the cabinet. You could also run a tap line off the A/C system.





I will dig up some pics. I do not use an ipad, but probably will in the future.
I came from the industry of $5,000 touchpads and never saw the value for my personal needs.

I am thinking hard about that 717 Onkyo now. For $600 it is pretty darn nice especially since I use a separate 1500w power amp anyway.

I currently use MX850 remotes with RF base stations. They do everything I need (once programmed properly.) They are not your normal universal remote. I have 8 of them over the house and they each control everything from cable boxes to lighting to cameras.


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I like that rack mounted fan, I think I may look into getting black speaker cover material and doing a removable panel for the built in ecenter. This may allow me to build my center channel in it to and hide a fan.

I think that 717 went on sale in early February because everywhere was sold out at that time, now it is back in stock and still low priced. Unfortunately, I have a nasty little tax bill or else I would buy it this week.

Those controllers are really nice and look like everything can be customized.
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I like that rack mounted fan, I think I may look into getting black speaker cover material and doing a removable panel for the built in ecenter. This may allow me to build my center channel in it to and hide a fan.

I think that 717 went on sale in early February because everywhere was sold out at that time, now it is back in stock and still low priced. Unfortunately, I have a nasty little tax bill or else I would buy it this week.

Those controllers are really nice and look like everything can be customized.
The remotes look simple (great for customers) but they are amazingly flexible. We sold them for $999 programmed and installed and never had one customer who did not think it was worth the money (after they used them.)

The 727 is coming out, but the 717 looks like a better receiver in most catagories. Go figure. My frickin receiver was $1799 and does not do half of what the 717 can.
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I just picked up the Onkyo TX-NR818 receiver which has a little more power and a few more features than the NR717. Haven't run an HT setup for awhile now (sold/gave away old speakers), just using my older Onkyo for music (stereo with Cerwin Vega 10") so I need to get a new set of HT speakers too. I have a velodyne 10" powered sub still and I just plan to run 5.1 instead of the 7.1.
Probably going to run a set of Klipsch that aren't too expensive or are more than my needs in a condo.

RF-62 II Reference for the fronts
RC-62 II for the center
RB-61 II or RB-51 II for the rears (which I can always get another set of if I want to go 7.1) I've always gone with smaller bookshelf speakers for the rear, so don't know if I need to get the 6.5" RB-61 II's which will be the same woofer size as all the rest of the mentioned speakers.
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